The Truth Behind The Gates Of Auschwitz

[RageBeoulve]

That courage likely came simply from their individual will.

['andersom']

That courage likely came simply from their individual will.

But they felt strengthened by their belief system/view on life. Whether it was because they hoped to show their own system was better, or because doubt and resistance was part of their belief/view on life. Mutual support will have helped too.

[RageBeoulve]

That courage likely came simply from their individual will.

But they felt strengthened by their belief system/view on life. Whether it was because they hoped to show their own system was better, or because doubt and resistance was part of their belief/view on life. Mutual support will have helped too.

But they felt strengthened by their belief system/view on life.

If this is the case, I would say that's probably why the western world had decayed to the point of death in the present time.

['andersom']

That courage likely came simply from their individual will.

But they felt strengthened by their belief system/view on life. Whether it was because they hoped to show their own system was better, or because doubt and resistance was part of their belief/view on life. Mutual support will have helped too.

But they felt strengthened by their belief system/view on life.

If this is the case, I would say that's probably why the western world had decayed to the point of death in the present time.

Why? People find strength somewhere. Not only in the western world. Resistance often happens in groups of people finding more in common than only what they are against. Not talking about fundamentalism or anything like that. Something making mutual trust easier.

[RageBeoulve]

That courage likely came simply from their individual will.

But they felt strengthened by their belief system/view on life. Whether it was because they hoped to show their own system was better, or because doubt and resistance was part of their belief/view on life. Mutual support will have helped too.

But they felt strengthened by their belief system/view on life.

If this is the case, I would say that's probably why the western world had decayed to the point of death in the present time.

Why? People find strength somewhere. Not only in the western world. Resistance often happens in groups of people finding more in common than only what they are against. Not talking about fundamentalism or anything like that. Something making mutual trust easier.

All people have plenty in common. Idealism is what divides.

['andersom']

That courage likely came simply from their individual will.

But they felt strengthened by their belief system/view on life. Whether it was because they hoped to show their own system was better, or because doubt and resistance was part of their belief/view on life. Mutual support will have helped too.

But they felt strengthened by their belief system/view on life.

If this is the case, I would say that's probably why the western world had decayed to the point of death in the present time.

Why? People find strength somewhere. Not only in the western world. Resistance often happens in groups of people finding more in common than only what they are against. Not talking about fundamentalism or anything like that. Something making mutual trust easier.

All people have plenty in common. Idealism is what divides.

I think we are talking from different angles, and about different things here.

[odeon]

They basically killed everyone who wasn't really into global germanism, retarded, gay, not brimming with mystical "vrill" energies (yeah, I know right?).

I think the problem here is that some people would prefer to know a more exact account of what happened. and when they dig into it they are automatically called a Nazi and a jew hater, and sometimes thrown in jail.

Don't you think that's strange behavior? I mean, its perfectly reasonable to want as clear a picture as possible of such an event, as to be more able to prevent it from happening again.

The problem *here* is that people are expected to back up their shit.

And you're making a rather inaccurate generalisation.

[RageBeoulve]

They basically killed everyone who wasn't really into global germanism, retarded, gay, not brimming with mystical "vrill" energies (yeah, I know right?).

I think the problem here is that some people would prefer to know a more exact account of what happened. and when they dig into it they are automatically called a Nazi and a jew hater, and sometimes thrown in jail.

Don't you think that's strange behavior? I mean, its perfectly reasonable to want as clear a picture as possible of such an event, as to be more able to prevent it from happening again.

The problem *here* is that people are expected to back up their shit.

And you're making a rather inaccurate generalisation.

Odeon what are you even talking about?

[ZEGH8578]

He is probably refering to the fact that holocaust-deniers fail to "back their shit up" properly, and thus cannot be treated as serious investigators, instead reveal themselves to be part of political movements that attempt to sow instability, and are therefore thrown in jail.

I'm all for laws that prevent right-wing groups from gaining strength. I'll take blind consumerism over piles of dead people any day.

[Yuri Bezmenov]

I'll take blind consumerism over piles of dead people any day.

That's because you have no sense of art.     

[Hannah]

Some people don't know that the Nazis put more than just Jews to death because of their views. Homosexuals, disabled people, Communists, ethnic minorities and gypsies to name a few. I wouldn't be surprised if more than 6 million people died.

At least 11 million were killed. A recent study by the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington suggests a far higher number, up to 20 million in total.

I actually did know that other's were killed as well...the entire thing was just insane...Christians not in name only were among the 'other' humans brave enough to hide people who were later turned in and killed along with everyone else that didn't go along with whatever the heck they were trying to achieve...

The "Deutsche Christen" and "Die Bekennende Kirche" were quite different in their views on Hitler's regime.

Both groups probably thought they were Christians not in name only. But what a difference between the two of them.

Most default style idealism ends up that way though.

I was wondering why Hannah mentioned the faith/belief system of people being brave enough to stand up against Nazi ideology. That's why I mentioned both a group of convinced collaborators and a group of convinced critics of the Nazi ideology.

The Christians that did stand up against it very likely found strength and courage in their faith, but the communists and the atheists helping fugitives from Nazi regime found courage somewhere too.

Those that are not of faith have basic human decency in common with those that do have faith (some), and that is where their strength I am assuming came from during this period of history...

Bonhoffer is one of the unsung hero's of that generation, as are I'm sure others that were not of faith that were hero's in their own right...the thing that tied those together is simply being decent to one another in the face of human indecency

There is a reason I regard humans with wonder, because they are reflections of a divine being (I believe) and I find it fascinating each person's point of view, also every human has something to offer, it's why I hold to the convictions that I do and believe the way I do...

It says in the Bible that 'Love hates injustice but rejoices when the truth wins out' 1 Cor. 13 forgot the verse number 

That to me is a universal concept of being a decent human being, loving one another as we love meaning respect ourselves...

I've been told I am unlike most who are Christians and it is true I gladly celebrate the fact that I am one of a kind as I celebrate each of you here  you guys are just so awesome and deep down kind...

I realize having this view will open myself up to hurt to those that would take advantage of my good will, but it's worth it in my opinion for the reward outweighs not knowing good people at all

[Parts]

Some people don't know that the Nazis put more than just Jews to death because of their views. Homosexuals, disabled people, Communists, ethnic minorities and gypsies to name a few. I wouldn't be surprised if more than 6 million people died.

At least 11 million were killed. A recent study by the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington suggests a far higher number, up to 20 million in total.

I actually did know that other's were killed as well...the entire thing was just insane...Christians not in name only were among the 'other' humans brave enough to hide people who were later turned in and killed along with everyone else that didn't go along with whatever the heck they were trying to achieve...

The "Deutsche Christen" and "Die Bekennende Kirche" were quite different in their views on Hitler's regime.

Both groups probably thought they were Christians not in name only. But what a difference between the two of them.

Most default style idealism ends up that way though.

I was wondering why Hannah mentioned the faith/belief system of people being brave enough to stand up against Nazi ideology. That's why I mentioned both a group of convinced collaborators and a group of convinced critics of the Nazi ideology.

The Christians that did stand up against it very likely found strength and courage in their faith, but the communists and the atheists helping fugitives from Nazi regime found courage somewhere too.

Those that are not of faith have basic human decency in common with those that do have faith (some), and that is where their strength I am assuming came from during this period of history...

Bonhoffer is one of the unsung hero's of that generation, as are I'm sure others that were not of faith that were hero's in their own right...the thing that tied those together is simply being decent to one another in the face of human indecency

There is a reason I regard humans with wonder, because they are reflections of a divine being (I believe) and I find it fascinating each person's point of view, also every human has something to offer, it's why I hold to the convictions that I do and believe the way I do...

It says in the Bible that 'Love hates injustice but rejoices when the truth wins out' 1 Cor. 13 forgot the verse number 

That to me is a universal concept of being a decent human being, loving one another as we love meaning respect ourselves...

I've been told I am unlike most who are Christians and it is true I gladly celebrate the fact that I am one of a kind as I celebrate each of you here  you guys are just so awesome and deep down kind...

I realize having this view will open myself up to hurt to those that would take advantage of my good will, but it's worth it in my opinion for the reward outweighs not knowing good people at all

I wish more religious people had that attitude 

['andersom']

Some people don't know that the Nazis put more than just Jews to death because of their views. Homosexuals, disabled people, Communists, ethnic minorities and gypsies to name a few. I wouldn't be surprised if more than 6 million people died.

At least 11 million were killed. A recent study by the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington suggests a far higher number, up to 20 million in total.

I actually did know that other's were killed as well...the entire thing was just insane...Christians not in name only were among the 'other' humans brave enough to hide people who were later turned in and killed along with everyone else that didn't go along with whatever the heck they were trying to achieve...

The "Deutsche Christen" and "Die Bekennende Kirche" were quite different in their views on Hitler's regime.

Both groups probably thought they were Christians not in name only. But what a difference between the two of them.

Most default style idealism ends up that way though.

I was wondering why Hannah mentioned the faith/belief system of people being brave enough to stand up against Nazi ideology. That's why I mentioned both a group of convinced collaborators and a group of convinced critics of the Nazi ideology.

The Christians that did stand up against it very likely found strength and courage in their faith, but the communists and the atheists helping fugitives from Nazi regime found courage somewhere too.

Those that are not of faith have basic human decency in common with those that do have faith (some), and that is where their strength I am assuming came from during this period of history...

Bonhoffer is one of the unsung hero's of that generation, as are I'm sure others that were not of faith that were hero's in their own right...the thing that tied those together is simply being decent to one another in the face of human indecency

There is a reason I regard humans with wonder, because they are reflections of a divine being (I believe) and I find it fascinating each person's point of view, also every human has something to offer, it's why I hold to the convictions that I do and believe the way I do...

It says in the Bible that 'Love hates injustice but rejoices when the truth wins out' 1 Cor. 13 forgot the verse number 

That to me is a universal concept of being a decent human being, loving one another as we love meaning respect ourselves...

I've been told I am unlike most who are Christians and it is true I gladly celebrate the fact that I am one of a kind as I celebrate each of you here  you guys are just so awesome and deep down kind...

I realize having this view will open myself up to hurt to those that would take advantage of my good will, but it's worth it in my opinion for the reward outweighs not knowing good people at all

This makes sense indeed.

Dietrich Bonhoeffer and Martin Niemöller were part of the Bekennende Kirche. They are quite different in lots of ways when it comes to their faith, but they were together in this resistance against the Nazi regime. And their group was very active.
People from the Deutsche Christen felt themselves to be christian too. But the longing for being part of the state was way bigger than any urge to think critical out of their faith. They saw no harm in declaring people from the Bekennende Kirche to state enemies.

Bonhoeffer and Niemöller were inspirational also outside Christianity. They had the guts to stand up, when needed.

['andersom']

That courage likely came simply from their individual will.

But they felt strengthened by their belief system/view on life. Whether it was because they hoped to show their own system was better, or because doubt and resistance was part of their belief/view on life. Mutual support will have helped too.

But they felt strengthened by their belief system/view on life.

If this is the case, I would say that's probably why the western world had decayed to the point of death in the present time.

Coming back to this.

From a pure practical point, it will have helped critics of the system to be part of a group. Not all within their group could be trusted, for sure. But, there was a structure that helped organise resistance. An individual on his own, against a whole regime, will not accomplish that much, most of the time.
Being backed up and supported by others, others with an organisation, will make resistance way more effective.

There is a reason churches were a great part in bringing down die Mauer in 1989. There was a structure that gave people the chance to organise themselves, and to be in contact with others.

And aside from the practical. Being together, no matter what connects, can bring comfort, hope and courage, when in despair.

Does not take away that it is individual courage that makes a person someone who can oppose a regime, no matter how threatening it is.

[benjimanbreeg]

In a way I feel very sorry for those that do not believe this horrible act of recent history took place...I am a positive person not one to poke others and attempt to bridge social gaps and give benefits of the doubt...

I can see why denying this would be something tempting, how can humans be that hateful? They can...and it's so horrific to remember and or comprehend...I have come to the conclusion this is at the root of why folks deny this took place even all these years later...they cannot believe how inhuman their fellow humans can be...

Then again; this is just my take and like I said I give folks the benefit of the doubt...

The need for the bold part said it all.