Father-Daugther incestous couple have come out

[Calandale]

And of course someone can have an adopted mother. I don't think biology has anything to do with it

IF biology has nothing to do with it,
then how does gender (by it's original
meaning) - or if you prefer to misuse
the word, sex?

I don't misuse the word gender
Sex has nothing to do with it

So, stop objecting to a mom named steve,
who happens to be male.

[Calandale]

what about Mister Mom!?

Or worse, Mr. Mister.

[Sophgay]

You should learn humor. Not as a crutch in
fighting, but to present some issues. It's useful.

I have my own sense of humour, thanks
I don't particularly like yours, most of the time

Since such is pretty standard, you ought to
learn to understand it, even if not appreciate.

Not just you. But, as I've contended, 'gender' has been redefined.

In what way have I redefined anything for my own needs?

You accepted this travesty. It's no better than calling the Near East
the Middle East.

I did understand it was humour. The same way I understood your "humour" in the "pregnant man" thread, when you asked about pronouns.

Gender is not sex. They are both two different things.

[Sophgay]

And of course someone can have an adopted mother. I don't think biology has anything to do with it

IF biology has nothing to do with it,
then how does gender (by it's original
meaning) - or if you prefer to misuse
the word, sex?

I don't misuse the word gender
Sex has nothing to do with it

So, stop objecting to a mom named steve,
who happens to be male.

I don';t care, if Steve identifies as a woman
It was your suggestion that he would be "the mom" just because the other was male too, that I was responding to

[Calandale]

Gender is not sex. They are both two different things.

Indeed. Gender is the seperation BASED upon sex.

[Calandale]

And of course someone can have an adopted mother. I don't think biology has anything to do with it

IF biology has nothing to do with it,
then how does gender (by it's original
meaning) - or if you prefer to misuse
the word, sex?

I don't misuse the word gender
Sex has nothing to do with it

So, stop objecting to a mom named steve,
who happens to be male.

I don';t care, if Steve identifies as a woman
It was your suggestion that he would be "the mom" just because the other was male too, that I was responding to

I made no such suggestion. Merely a quip about introducing mom
as steve. You need to lighten up.

[Peter]

the couple had a healthy baby first and the second died.

No, their first child died and their second child lived.

District Court sentencing judge Steven Millsteed said the first count of incest was based on an act of sexual intercourse which resulted in the birth of the couple's first child.

The second count of incest related to an act of sexual intercourse which resulted in the birth of their second child in May last year.

"The first child was born in 2001 but died a few days after birth due to a congenital heart disease," Judge Millsteed said.

Peter said: 

Dr. Carl Olstrom, a Swedish psychiatrist experienced in the study of fetal deformity resulting from incest, reports: "There is no evidence to support the assumption that children resulting from incestuous relationships run a greater risk of being malformed than other children."

 

However, the rest of the quote said: 

Other, smaller studies have shown serious birth defects in up to one fourth of all children who were conceived through bloodline incest, an incidence that is about fifteen times the expected normal frequency.

Small studies are subject to statistical inaccuracies due to their small sample size, so larger studies generally supplant them.  Paranormal phenomena often show up on small studies but vanish in larger studies for this reason, and also because larger studies tend to be more rigorously controlled than smaller ones.

[Sophgay]

Gender is not sex. They are both two different things.

Indeed. Gender is the seperation BASED upon sex.

Usually
Individually, it is not always based upon sex

[Calandale]

Gender is not sex. They are both two different things.

Indeed. Gender is the seperation BASED upon sex.

Usually
Individually, it is not always based upon sex

A redefinition. One for which there is no clear evidence.
There could be societal, rather than physiological causes
for such, and then they would not qualify.

[Sophgay]

There's no clear evidence that gender is a social construct?

[Persona]

I agree though.  I hate the way they try to heterosexualise gay couples, saying there should be a "mum" and a "dad".  For example with lesbians, the butch with the girly one.

Also I think this discussion is quite pointless.  Each one has their own beliefs that they are most unlikly to budge from.  Same as talking to a bunch of homophobes.  Not that I'm comparing any of you to them.

[Calandale]

There's no clear evidence that gender is a social construct?

Uhm...THAT would be a complete redefinition.
Exactly why I object.

[Sophgay]

There's no clear evidence that gender is a social construct?

Uhm...THAT would be a complete redefinition.
Exactly why I object.

I've studied this at university
Gender IS a social construct, whether you like it or not

[Calandale]

I agree though.  I hate the way they try to heterosexualise gay couples, saying there should be a "mum" and a "dad".  For example with lesbians, the butch with the girly one.

I prefer to avoid butch. Usually.
Biker dykers ain't my style.

Also I think this discussion is quite pointless.  Each one has their own beliefs that they are most unlikly to budge from.  Same as talking to a bunch of homophobes.  Not that I'm comparing any of you to them.

Pretty much the case with any discussion though. But, some
might be less convicted in their opinions, and swayed by the
debate.

[Sophgay]

You won't be getting any lesbians anyway