Moderate Muslims??

[Scrapheap]

Do you think there's such a thing as moderate muslims?? Take a look at this video... it's the best reductio ad absurdum argument I've ever seen.

[Calandale]

 

BUT, the point is that the klan hasn't been around
for long enough to really get rid of that side as its
primary purpose. Islam is NOT about killing jews, that's
merely a recent development.

In 300 years, if the klan is still around, and serving some
good purposes, the argument may actually hold water.
Right now, we're too close to what it used to be.

[Scrapheap]

... Islam is NOT about killing jews, that's
merely a recent development.

Read the Quran, it calls Jews, pigs and monkeys and the enemy of Allah.

[Calandale]

Still, they treated jews far better than the
west did, through most of time - up until
the founding of Israel.

Guess Mohamed was a pretty prescient guy?

[Scrapheap]

...Guess Mohamed was a pretty prescient guy?

... and a child fucker too.

[Calandale]

What's not to like? 

[Scrapheap]

Call me weird if you must, but a 9 year old girl doesn't give me a boner.

Apparently, 9 year old girls were like viagra to 50 yr old Muhammed.

[Alex179]

Before there was a Muhammad there was an Israel.   The Romans, Greeks, and other societies have records of Israel existing.   Islam is just Muhammad rehashing the whole Ishmael thing and reclaiming the Jewish Holy Land to go with the rest of Mesopotamia.   Religion being used as a landgrab at best, that is what they all were in the first place anyways.   A reason to take someone else's land.   Where are the Canaananites?

[Scrapheap]

....  Where are the Canaananites?

The Jews bred with what remained of them, and took the rest of their land. Good point.

[Teejay]

The Jews bred with what remained of them, and took the rest of their land. Good point.

I am not one to trust biblical stories as history, if you read The Bible Unearthed which talks about archaeological discoveries have changed scholars view of biblical history. The Israelites emerged out of the Canaanite population during the Iron Age. The book is a great read and casts doubt on events like time of the patriarchs, Exodus and even the United Israelite kingdom under Kings David and Solomon.

[Alex179]

The Jews bred with what remained of them, and took the rest of their land. Good point.

I am not one to trust biblical stories as history, if you read The Bible Unearthed which talks about archaeological discoveries have changed scholars view of biblical history. The Israelites emerged out of the Canaanite population during the Iron Age. The book is a great read and casts doubt on events like time of the patriarchs, Exodus and even the United Israelite kingdom under Kings David and Solomon.

The Jews were on the land known as Israel 400 years before Islam ever existed.   There are records going back further than that... records that have nothing to do with the Bible.   I am referring to Roman census data, which shows Jews being from the region for hundreds of years, and not Muslims.   I would have to look up what was supposedly in the libraries in Alexandria, but most of that was destroyed by one of Muhammad's great followers (Omar, Caliph of Baghdad).    The Alexandrian (Hellenistic) period data was supposed to suggest (in Greek) that Jews were in the area back then too (technically only 300 BC but whatever).    Islam didn't even exist until long after the Jews started spreading themsevles out all over the damn world (their fault for abandoning their "homeland" and being nomadic idiots).   Palestine existed at best for 1450 years.   Basically as long as Islam has existed lol.

[Calandale]

The Jews lost all right to their land, when they
rebelled against Rome, and were defeated.

Just as the Palestinians lost their rights, by running
from Israeli 'oppression'.

Might makes right. If the muslims can destroy Israel,
what they have is theirs by right. If not, too bad. Just
like the Serbs were driven from their national heritage
and most important historical sites by the might of US
air power.

[Alex179]

Rome can't go back and reclaim land though.   Currently there is a state of Israel.   I am sick of hearing about Palestine or Israel.   We should just take both groups and kill them all, no more arguing then.

[Calandale]

Why bother? They're good enough at it.

[Alex179]

Why bother? They're good enough at it.

If we let them go at it in their current state, one side will ultimately win.   I want them all to die, neither side to win.