Muslims get their frilly panties in a twist once again

[Parts]

You guys in Europe have to start having more kids before they out number you

[Tom/Mutate]

I think that if it is not fair to bash all Muslims for the action of (ostensibly) a few, then it is also not fair to uniformly bash people who are distrustful or confused about Muslims.  People can only function based on their own experiences and information.  If someone's experience has led them to have an unfair opinion of Muslims, surely it is better to open up a dialogue and add to their information (or change it , if incorrect) than to constantly repeat "bigot", "hyperbole" "I'm laughing at you" etc.  The Muslim bashers are just people who are genuinely confused for the reasons of the liberal's defending.

[Peter]

A few muslims who obviously didn't take the Public Relations 101 course:

[Parts]

I have met many Muslims that I got along with very well it's the sheep of them that follow the lead of the fundie clerics I have a problem with

[Tom/Mutate]

I had a few Islamic friends at Uni.  A friend I got on very well whom I even helped him do his project in flash which was a website about his Mosque.  They look normal to me, though.  They all have short hair, regular clothes, etc.   Though, they did not drink or eat pork.  I liked and respected them.  Its the ones that look outwardly strange that make me nervous, with the dresses, hats and veils.  I have never had a friend of this type and whenver I see these I always imagine that they are on their way to a secret room beneath a pub to discuss a bombing of innocents.  Prejudice on my part, but thats the way the media has programmed me.

[odeon]

I think that if it is not fair to bash all Muslims for the action of (ostensibly) a few, then it is also not fair to uniformly bash people who are distrustful or confused about Muslims.  People can only function based on their own experiences and information.  If someone's experience has led them to have an unfair opinion of Muslims, surely it is better to open up a dialogue and add to their information (or change it , if incorrect) than to constantly repeat "bigot", "hyperbole" "I'm laughing at you" etc.  The Muslim bashers are just people who are genuinely confused for the reasons of the liberal's defending.

OK. Valid points. I hear what you are saying, and I'm sorry I dismissed you earlier. The one point I disagree with is the one I've marked in bold: In my experience, the majority of the Muslim bashers are certainly confused, but not for reasons having anything to do with anything the Liberals (also known as "Muslim apologists") say. The vocal ones often thrive on the hate-mongering, the appeal to the reader's fear of the unknown, and the general uneasiness in the Western world regarding any Muslims.

Certainly, after 9/11 it's been easy for these people to appeal to those fears.

If you look at the on-and-off debate re Muslims in this forum, you'll find little in way of balanced views and dialogue, unfortunately. More often than not, the discussion is polarised, resulting in hyperbole and name-calling, and quite frankly, I was tired of it long before you posted, hence my reply (for which I'm sorry).

[AspiePride]

Relgion is just one outlet for human hatred

If islam fucked off tomorrow something else would come along sooner or later and take it's place

The simple truth is human society even in the most democratic nation (country) is still ruled on the same feudal based principles as was in the middle ages

The fedual system for example we have today in the western world is free moving

Meaning anyone can through the theory and practice of wealth generation

Go from rags to riches so to speak

The only way this will ever change is when humanity has unlimited resources

Till that condition is met

The same principles will continue perpetuate

And so to the problems it produces

[Lucifer]

Relgion is just one outlet for human hatred

If islam fucked off tomorrow something else would come along sooner or later and take it's place

QFT.

witches, christians, lepers, jews, witches again, christians again, muslims, gays, muslims...

etc., etc., etc.

what i want to know is how the fuck did the lepers get off so lightly?

[odeon]

what i want to know is how the fuck did the lepers get off so lightly?

[Lucifer]

i knew that would tickle you!

[Yuri Bezmenov]

Their prophet's legitimacy is crap, which in turn makes Islam itself crap.    Their respect for the name and image of Mohammed is a false one, as his own prophethood is not even legit.   Basically they are morons, just like anyone who would throw a hissy fit over the image of Yahweh or Jesus.

Luckily you don't get to define the legitimacy of any prophet, Christian, Muslim, or otherwise.

Actually, we do. All prophets are illegitimate. They are either deliberate frauds or delusional nutjobs.

As George Carlin said, they are the undisputed kings of bullshit.

[odeon]

Their prophet's legitimacy is crap, which in turn makes Islam itself crap.    Their respect for the name and image of Mohammed is a false one, as his own prophethood is not even legit.   Basically they are morons, just like anyone who would throw a hissy fit over the image of Yahweh or Jesus.

Luckily you don't get to define the legitimacy of any prophet, Christian, Muslim, or otherwise.

Actually, we do. All prophets are illegitimate. They are either deliberate frauds or delusional nutjobs.

As George Carlin said, they are the undisputed kings of bullshit.

Actually you don't. You ca certainly try but you'll look awfully silly.

But then, you already look silly so...

[Yuri Bezmenov]

Their prophet's legitimacy is crap, which in turn makes Islam itself crap.    Their respect for the name and image of Mohammed is a false one, as his own prophethood is not even legit.   Basically they are morons, just like anyone who would throw a hissy fit over the image of Yahweh or Jesus.

Luckily you don't get to define the legitimacy of any prophet, Christian, Muslim, or otherwise.

Actually, we do. All prophets are illegitimate. They are either deliberate frauds or delusional nutjobs.

As George Carlin said, they are the undisputed kings of bullshit.

Actually you don't.

Says who? When are you going to figure out that religion is a lie??

You ca certainly try but you'll look awfully silly.

But then, you already look silly so...

You're projecting here. I'm not the one defending people who believe in talking snakes and burning bushes.

[odeon]

Their prophet's legitimacy is crap, which in turn makes Islam itself crap.    Their respect for the name and image of Mohammed is a false one, as his own prophethood is not even legit.   Basically they are morons, just like anyone who would throw a hissy fit over the image of Yahweh or Jesus.

Luckily you don't get to define the legitimacy of any prophet, Christian, Muslim, or otherwise.

Actually, we do. All prophets are illegitimate. They are either deliberate frauds or delusional nutjobs.

As George Carlin said, they are the undisputed kings of bullshit.

Actually you don't.

Says who? When are you going to figure out that religion is a lie??

I did, a long time ago, but I'm not talking about my views. I'm saying that you don't get to decide, just as I don't get to decide.

You ca certainly try but you'll look awfully silly.

But then, you already look silly so...

You're projecting here. I'm not the one defending people who believe in talking snakes and burning bushes.

I'm defending their right to believe. You should try it--I think your country supposedly supports that sort of thing. Or did, at least.

[Yuri Bezmenov]

Don't generalise, Peter. This is about fucked-up Sudan authorities, teacher colleagues holding grudges, and fundamentalist views among some. Not every Muslim is like that.

Nor was every German in the 1930's a Nazi.

it only takes a very active minority for the tail to wag the entire dog.