Muslims get their frilly panties in a twist once again

[Parts]

On the other hand in difference to the U.S. almost none will go to prison for their crime here in Sweden, most people don't really even report the crime to the police. Sad, but true.

No one goes to jail for slander or libel, here
in the US, AFAIK.

They just sue eachother

[Calandale]

But, it's NOT an easy case to prove.
First, it HAS to be personal, and directed.
It also has to cause some actual harm, be
false, and intentional. Pretty steep criteria.

[Parts]

But, it's NOT an easy case to prove.
First, it HAS to be personal, and directed.
It also has to cause some actual harm, be
false, and intentional. Pretty steep criteria.

Yeah it is thankfully.  But having to defend and get a lawyer is bad enough

[SovaNu]

what if it's true and causes harm? what if it's private information?

[Callaway]

what if it's true and causes harm? what if it's private information?

Certain records, like medical records, might be confidential but if a news reporter somehow gains access to them without breaking the law then I think that they could be reported.


I think that in the US, proving the truth of a statement is an absolute defense to a slander or libel lawsuit.

Let's say for example, that I said in public that my daughter's special education teacher put soap in my daughter's mouth and choked her and I named the teacher.

The teacher could sue me for slander, and then there would be a trial.

If I proved that she did those things to my daughter then I would be completely off the hook, however if I could not prove the truth of my statement and if she proved that her career was damaged by my saying that she did those things, then I would have to pay her a judgement.

[SovaNu]

i don't think publishing someone's medical records should ever be allowed.

[Parts]

With the all seeing computer Gods of today it's hard to keep things secret

[Calandale]

If I proved that she did those things to my daughter then I would be completely off the hook, however if I could not prove the truth of my statement and if she proved that her career was damaged by my saying that she did those things, then I would have to pay her a judgement.

Yeah, because she's a private person.
Public figures, I believe, have the burden
of proof on themselves. Thus, they have
a hell of a time proving slander.

[Fritz the Cat]

Fuck no, generally speaking.

Generally speaking, yes. With you, no.

[Tom/Mutate]

I get the impression that the liberals on this board who ostensibly defend Muslims actually will only praise them in inverse proportion to how Muslim they actually are.  A conservative, dedicatedc Muslim who wears a dress, has a beard and and hat, and dissaproves of gays, hates non Muslims and doesn't belive women should be allowed to drvie or walk the streets alone, that is a bad Muslim.   A westernised, nominal Muslim who is part of the culture but doesn't really have a strong faith and has liberal views, respecting woman and gays and ignoring parts of the Koran unaccpetable to UK culture, is a good Muslim.  I just hope it is true what they tell us that the latter outweighs the former.

[odeon]

Should I just laugh at your expense, or do you want to back some of your statements up?

[Tom/Mutate]

What statements?  I'm just talking about the impression I get about other's beliefs from hearing their views.  It's my personal  (and incomplete) experience, not informed facts or "statements".

[odeon]

OK.

/laughs

[Tom/Mutate]

Forgetting the people of this board, let me talk about my local press.  I live in a big UK city with a large Muslim population.  There are often stories in the local press about an Islamic bookshop being searched by police or a violence-supporting cleric being forced to stop preaching.  Whenever this happens the papers are like " Well don't judge all Muslims by these, because some of them don't follow the Koran to the letter, they have very liberal interpretaions and ignore the bad bits".  This is paraphrasing, but it is the impression I get.

I am also wondering if the UK Hindus and Sikhs who resent Muslims would be considered racist, as their skin is brown, and many UK Muslims are white converts.

[Peter]

Interesting video.  Make of it what you will.

At the end of the day, innocent people, when we say innocent people, we mean muslims.  As far as non-muslims are concerned, they have not accepted Islam, and as far as we're concerned, that is a crime against God.