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Re: Questions about the English language
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2007, 02:57:15 PM »
I've never come across "There're" used anywhere.

Not really an acceptable contraction,
nowadays. But, I'm all in favor of adding
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Re: Questions about the English language
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2007, 03:24:01 PM »
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Re: Questions about the English language
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2007, 07:14:28 PM »
There's is a contraction of there and is...  why would There are be there's...  there's no s in are.
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Re: Questions about the English language
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2007, 07:20:52 PM »
There's is a contraction of there and is...  why would There are be there's...  there's no s in are.

Because it's commonly used and English has more exceptions than rules, so what's one more?
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Re: Questions about the English language
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2007, 07:21:02 AM »
There's (contraction of the pronoun "there" and the auxiliary verb "is") in formal English is incorrect. If the "object" of a sentence is plural, it should be proceeded after "are" (also an auxiliary verb).

Subject: There
Verb: are
Object (noun phrase): a lot of things.




Lot is singular. There's is correct.

Is this because of the indefinite article?

"There is a lot..."

"There are lots..."

Hmm. I see.
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Re: Questions about the English language
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2007, 05:02:50 PM »
The article is merely a clue.
Lot is simply singular.

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Re: Questions about the English language
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2007, 07:00:44 PM »
there's's incorrect, you mean.
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Re: Questions about the English language
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2007, 08:48:36 PM »
There are. It is just not contracted. When I say it, no matter how short I say the "are" it still sounds very close to "there are". Maybe it depends on whether you roll the r?

Whereas if I say "there's" the i is completely cut off the "is".
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Re: Questions about the English language
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2007, 10:55:45 PM »
There're is pronounced very similarly to therer.  :laugh:

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Re: Questions about the English language
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2007, 11:03:18 PM »
There's things about writing in English that keep bugging me, and which I've never found satisfactory answers to.  Should I write 'anymore' or 'any more'?  The former sounds right but comes up as an incorrect spelling while the latter seems wrong but comes up right in spell-checkers.  And what about making a contraction of 'there are'?  Is it correct to write "there's", as in "There's a lot of objects here.", when the full version would be "There are a lot of objects here."?  I've never come across "There're" used anywhere.  And what about quotations?  Is there only one way to do those, or is it a flexible system?  I know that I should use a new paragraph for each change of speaker in a dialogue, but what about nesting quotations inside other sentences?  Should it be "He said she said."?  Or "He said she said"?  Or something else?

1.  use "anymore" when referring to time; use "any more" when referring to a quantity of anything else.

e.g.  "i don't drive to work anymore."  "is there any more cake?"

2.  use there are.  just sounds more formal, but it's correct, although it depends what you're writing - dialogue/speech written in colloquial form would be more likely to use "there's", if that's how the character speaks.

3.  quotations are written thusly: "so, he said, 'wtf are you on about?' and so i decked him."  if you use single quotation marks ('), then use double inside them: 'so he said, "wtf are you on about?" so i decked him."

4.  punctuation goes inside the quotation marks, but there doesn't seem to be an absolute convention on this: my PhD director of studies does it the other way round, but that's how i teach it.

5.  funnily enough, although strunk and white are american, i use (and recommend) their book for grammar, cos it's brilliant.  and correct english.  and inexpensive.

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Re: Questions about the English language
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2007, 03:31:45 AM »
Typo in #3, the end double quote.



4.  punctuation goes inside the quotation marks, but there doesn't seem to be an absolute convention on this: my PhD director of studies does it the other way round, but that's how i teach it.

5.  funnily enough, although strunk and white are american, i use (and recommend) their book for grammar, cos it's brilliant.  and correct english.  and inexpensive.

I've only seen putting punctuation OUTSIDE the quotes
(except with a single exception) advocated by the English.
Might this point be related to #5?

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Re: Questions about the English language
« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2007, 03:34:33 AM »
i was taught that punctuation goes inside the qms

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Re: Questions about the English language
« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2007, 09:10:18 AM »
Pocket-sized Grammar & Punctuation books from Oxford are your friends.



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Re: Questions about the English language
« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2007, 11:28:51 AM »
I like to bring up this subject: Why is it that correcting punctuation usage makes you a grammar nazi? In English language books, they always make a distinction between grammar & punctuation.

For example:

"I are am going to those the zoo." <-- by correcting the improper usage of the primary auxiliary verb "are" (replacing it with "am"), and the lack of a definite article (the) for the proceeding noun "zoo", this should make me a grammar nazi.

"I am not happy; the burglars have stolen my money." <-- by placing a semi-colon in between of the independent clauses that both have a close relationship with each other, and by placing a full stop at the end of the second clause to close the written statement, this should make me a punctuation nazi.

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Re: Questions about the English language
« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2007, 11:42:27 AM »
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