Creationism in UK schools

[Teejay]

not teaching the holocaust (I've heard some British schools aren't teaching it anymore not to offend Muslim students).

Bollocks.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=445979&in_page_id=1770

[ozymandias]

you ARE a vampire! a calpire.

**ozymandias lopes thru the wood in search of prey**

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[duncvis]

not teaching the holocaust (I've heard some British schools aren't teaching it anymore not to offend Muslim students).

Bollocks.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=445979&in_page_id=1770

why doesn't the source (The Daily Bigot) surprise me?  anything to whip up a bit of hysteria for clowns like you to lap up. I fail to see why it is less moronic to teach creationism for Christian fundamentalists than for Muslim ones. Stupid is stupid. And if the selectively presented data is correct the schools in question are staffed by fucking cowards.
Religion is not science - its about exploring the bits science can't, or won't, cover. Science is about applying testable, falsifiable methods to understanding the universe - which creationism cannot possibly be. If generations of scientists and mathematicians were able to make scientific theories and rules without contradicting their Christian or Muslim faith, where's the contradiction? It only appears to be a problem if you believe that your holy books, scribed down as they were in the distant past, represent the complete and literal truth/word of God despite their being interpreted by generations of scholars according to their best ability to interpret in whatever era. Which makes you a crank. So regardless of the variant of uberconservative retard, schools shouldn't be kowtowing to anyone's religious sensibilities - save that for RE lessons. Adding the 'it must be the Muslims' angle without it being necessary just makes you look like a racist twat.

[Lucifer]

mainly.

[Lucifer]

er, not so.  there are inumerable instances of definite cause and effect.

Indeed? Please enlighten me as to ANY scientific 'fact' which is
not subject to the rule of being falsifiable. Of course, staying out
of the realm of axiomatized subjects, such as pure mathematics
and logic, and within the natural sciences. If you find one, I do
believe that you'll turn that subject into the laughingstock
of the scientific world.

all science has to be falsifiable, as you well know, from kuhnian theory.  (or is it popper?  i can never remeber which one said which).  however, i'm thinking of causative agents in the field of microbiology - you want to tell me that Treponema pallidum is not the causative agent for syphilis?

[ozymandias]

Humans created "Gods" to explain natural phenomena around them, lightning, storms, earthquakes, volcanoes, any disasters that occured.  It was the best way to bring order out of a chaotic (or seemingly chaotic) world.  After awhile you would do things to appease the "Gods" or court them for favors......good weather, protection, etc.  Next thing you know, you have priests, kings, queens, priestesses, etc, who recognize a good thing when they see it and want a piece of the action.  So they start being the "divine interpreters", oracles, representative of the gods on earth, blah blah blah.  They get power, control information, and hate competition....sort of like what you see today with ANY religious extremists.

[Calandale]

all science has to be falsifiable, as you well know, from kuhnian theory.  (or is it popper?  i can never remeber which one said which).  however, i'm thinking of causative agents in the field of microbiology - you want to tell me that Treponema pallidum is not the causative agent for syphilis?

I'm NOT going to argue against something which
is clearly so. But, it's unproven. This is the point that
is made about evolution. ALL natural science's findings
work their way towards being established theory. But,
that's all that they are. The possibility of them being
wrong is inherent in the methodology.

[Teejay]

I believe that religions aren't necessarly equal to each other and some like Islam, in it's current form is a danger to our western societies because of it's core teaching of the supremacy of sharia law and notions in the quran that women and non-muslims aren't equal to muslim males. Modern Christianity, even the Protestant fundies or any other religion for that matter does not teach those ideas and respect secular law and equality of all before the law.

I support the teaching of Christian Creationism in schools, that is if the majority of the voters want. We are a democracy after all and even Fundamentalist Christians do not challenge secular law or the equality of all before the law. On the other hand large number of Muslims do.

[Calandale]

Given that scientific beliefs are the modern religion,
it seems odd how much we discriminate against
older ones. 

[Parts]

I believe that religions aren't necessarly equal to each other and some like Islam, in it's current form is a danger to our western societies because of it's core teaching of the supremacy of sharia law and notions in the quran that women and non-muslims aren't equal to muslim males. Modern Christianity, even the Protestant fundies or any other religion for that matter does not teach those ideas and respect secular law and equality of all before the law.

I support the teaching of Christian Creationism in schools, that is if the majority of the voters want. We are a democracy after all and even Fundamentalist Christians do not challenge secular law or the equality of all before the law. On the other hand large number of Muslims do.

What about the bombing of abortion clinics. Or their push to get their morality into law to be able to for example banning some books ,art of course everyones favorite porn.  All fundamentalists are bad in my book muslin and Cristian 

[Scrapheap]

I support the teaching of Christian Creationism in schools, that is if the majority of the voters want. We are a democracy after all and even Fundamentalist Christians do not challenge secular law or the equality of all before the law. On the other hand large number of Muslims do.

I would never support the teaching of biblical creationism regardless of how popular it was at the polls.

Religious mythology should never be substituted for the latest scientific theories, even if those theories later prove to be incorrect.

[Calandale]

The point is, our current society is heavily BASED
on science as the faith of our times. It defines it's
own rules, and treats other means of knowledge
as inferior.

[Lucifer]

all science has to be falsifiable, as you well know, from kuhnian theory.  (or is it popper?  i can never remeber which one said which).  however, i'm thinking of causative agents in the field of microbiology - you want to tell me that Treponema pallidum is not the causative agent for syphilis?

I'm NOT going to argue against something which
is clearly so. But, it's unproven. This is the point that
is made about evolution. ALL natural science's findings
work their way towards being established theory. But,
that's all that they are. The possibility of them being
wrong is inherent in the methodology.

i have no idea what you're on about.  you say it's not proven, and yet offer no evidence other than standard "has to have the possibility of being wrong", which is about the testing of hypotheses, and not about established cause and effect.

care to make sense?

[Calandale]

i have no idea what you're on about.  you say it's not proven, and yet offer no evidence other than standard "has to have the possibility of being wrong", which is about the testing of hypotheses, and not about established cause and effect.

care to make sense?

Uhm...God's existence (or otherwise) is unproven, and
NO evidence could be convincing in either way. By your
argument, both are then the case? The standard of the
scientific method PRECLUDES proof. That simple. A counterexample
could break any theory.

[Lucifer]

since when has "god's" existence been part of natural science?

wtf are you on about, you numpty?