Theory of Mind thread

[odeon]

i think there should be a law for it when Hardon and pals accuse us of cliqueing.

Thanks to you, we have two new smilies for it, anyway.

 

 

 

(and to Milla and DD, too)

[SovaNu]

plus to you too.

[Calandale]

i used to blame his age. i don't anymore.

Yeah, I know. But it's not just age. It's
experience. This is a time when one is
still forming opinions. And absolutely
certain.

At least for some. Doesn't mean you
have to be nice though. That would
only encourage what you see as wrong.

[renaeden]

As for my MO, do you seriously expect me to have done stacks of research before making every post?

Only if you're going to state something as a blanket fact.  If you'd tack on an "in my experience" or "in my opinion", I don't think people would jump on you quite so much.

I like Kiriana's comment here.
Presenting your experiences as facts puts people off and if you keep doing it, in future you may be ignored because no one will believe you.

[DirtDawg]

As for my MO, do you seriously expect me to have done stacks of research before making every post?

Only if you're going to state something as a blanket fact.  If you'd tack on an "in my experience" or "in my opinion", I don't think people would jump on you quite so much.

I like Kiriana's comment here.
Presenting your experiences as facts puts people off and if you keep doing it, in future you may be ignored because no one will believe you.

While what she said may have truth in it, the first business is to straighten out one's opinions.
No one, but a bigot, wants to see bigoted opinions promoted. I know that he has only skirted the edges of bigotry, because he doesn't know better, but when you have spent your whole life trying to rise above and reject all the bigotry we encounter, any allowance for the notions seems like a backturn.

[Kiriana]

As for my MO, do you seriously expect me to have done stacks of research before making every post?

Only if you're going to state something as a blanket fact.  If you'd tack on an "in my experience" or "in my opinion", I don't think people would jump on you quite so much.

I like Kiriana's comment here.
Presenting your experiences as facts puts people off and if you keep doing it, in future you may be ignored because no one will believe you.

While what she said may have truth in it, the first business is to straighten out one's opinions.
No one, but a bigot, wants to see bigoted opinions promoted. I know that he has only skirted the edges of bigotry, because he doesn't know better, but when you have spent your whole life trying to rise above and reject all the bigotry we encounter, any allowance for the notions seems like a backturn.

Yep, I don't disagree with you at all.  Whether it's presented as fact or opinion, bigotry ought to be pointed out so it can be examined and hopefully discarded.   I think my point was more in reference to why people were picking apart his arguements on a consistent basis rather than just specific to this topic.

[DirtDawg]

As for my MO, do you seriously expect me to have done stacks of research before making every post?

Only if you're going to state something as a blanket fact.  If you'd tack on an "in my experience" or "in my opinion", I don't think people would jump on you quite so much.

I like Kiriana's comment here.
Presenting your experiences as facts puts people off and if you keep doing it, in future you may be ignored because no one will believe you.

While what she said may have truth in it, the first business is to straighten out one's opinions.
No one, but a bigot, wants to see bigoted opinions promoted. I know that he has only skirted the edges of bigotry, because he doesn't know better, but when you have spent your whole life trying to rise above and reject all the bigotry we encounter, any allowance for the notions seems like a backturn.

Yep, I don't disagree with you at all.  Whether it's presented as fact or opinion, bigotry ought to be pointed out so it can be examined and hopefully discarded.   I think my point was more in reference to why people were picking apart his arguements on a consistent basis rather than just specific to this topic.

Yes, of course.
I meant my comment to be taken as a constructive criticism of our young friend. I have tried other approaches as well. It is so easy to overlook and miss how subtle that hate and bigotry actually are and they can easily to creep back into our lives, if we do not remain vigilant to prevent this. There is no "click" solution to avoiding bigotry, it is a lifelong process that each one must choose, if it is to be controlled. It can not be eliminated.

[Kiriana]

As for my MO, do you seriously expect me to have done stacks of research before making every post?

Only if you're going to state something as a blanket fact.  If you'd tack on an "in my experience" or "in my opinion", I don't think people would jump on you quite so much.

I like Kiriana's comment here.
Presenting your experiences as facts puts people off and if you keep doing it, in future you may be ignored because no one will believe you.

While what she said may have truth in it, the first business is to straighten out one's opinions.
No one, but a bigot, wants to see bigoted opinions promoted. I know that he has only skirted the edges of bigotry, because he doesn't know better, but when you have spent your whole life trying to rise above and reject all the bigotry we encounter, any allowance for the notions seems like a backturn.

Yep, I don't disagree with you at all.  Whether it's presented as fact or opinion, bigotry ought to be pointed out so it can be examined and hopefully discarded.   I think my point was more in reference to why people were picking apart his arguements on a consistent basis rather than just specific to this topic.

Yes, of course.
I meant my comment to be taken as a constructive criticism of our young friend. I have tried other approaches as well. It is so easy to overlook and miss how subtle that hate and bigotry actually are and they can easily to creep back into our lives, if we do not remain vigilant to prevent this. There is no "click" solution to avoiding bigotry, it is a lifelong process that each one must choose, if it is to be controlled. It can not be eliminated.

Right, it's the subtlety that gets so many people.  I've really just started examining this in the past couple years and I've been amazed at stuff that I've learned.  Five years ago, I'd have said "no way am I a bigot!", because I didn't use racial slurs or cross the street when seeing someone of a different ethnicity.  But when you really look at it, there's so much more to it than that.

[odeon]

to you both.

[DirtDawg]

 

to you both.

for you both for trying to understand the ramblings of someone quite past his prime.

[mordok]

to you both.

for you both for trying to understand the ramblings of someone quite past his prime.

Wisdom is usually gained through age.

Another

[Lucifer]

  to everyone - huzzah!

[McGiver]

 

i guess if i want to remain in the clique i have to go along.

[DirtDawg]

 

OK, but who's the leader?

[McGiver]

OK, but who's the leader?

if i had to think about this logically i would say PI.  but the truth is, there is no leader.  just like minded discussion thwarters.