Theory of Mind thread

[SovaNu]

McLicker accused me of being ToM.

I don't understand the theory of mind myself but the only thing I know about it is someone puts a ball in the box and leaves the room, this other person takes the ball out of the box and places it under a cup. The person who put the ball in the box will look in the box again to get the ball while an aspie or autie would say he would look under the cup. How do I know this? Because there is no way the perosn would know that other person moved his ball to another spot because he wasn't in the room so there is no way he could see it happening. I always look in the same spot where I put my things and find it frustrating when it's moved because then I can't find it.

Yes, that is the basic description of the Sally-Anne test.

The experimenter uses two dolls, "Sally" and "Anne". Sally has a basket; Anne has a box. Experimenters show their subjects (usually children) a simple skit, in which Sally puts a marble in her basket and then leaves the scene. While Sally is away and cannot watch, Anne takes the marble out of Sally's basket and puts it into her box. Sally then returns and the children are asked where they think she will look for her marble. Children are said to "pass" the test if they understand that Sally will most likely look inside her basket before realizing that her marble isn't there.

Normal children under the age of four, along with most autistic children (of all ages), will answer "Anne's box," seemingly unaware that Sally does not know her marble has been moved.

but the kids could think sally could be telepathic or psychic and know the marble is in the box.

[McGiver]

don't worry milla, every person here is ToM when they don't share my thoughts. 

[SovaNu]

no you're ToM, i'm the one who's right.

[McGiver]

are not.

[SovaNu]

am too.

[McGiver]

are not.

[maldoror]

i'll send you a paper i have on it.  it's mostly academic stuff, but some of it is useful, especially the fact that ToM can be learned.

i had no ToM whatsoever for ages.  i have learned it, but i still have to remind myself that not everyone else thinks as i do, more or less all the time.  so, i have to deal with that intellectually, and tell myself that others think differently, even if i don't know/believe this within myself, inherently.  if that makes sense.

I think I have the same thing. Is it like when you know the theory, which you can say in words to yourself, but you can't really convince your subconscious that the thoery is true or even rectify the theory with yoru subconscious?

[Lucifer]

something like that, yes.  i've learned to accept intellectually that people don't think like me, but i can never work out why, even though i "know" it's because everyone's different.  when i was young, i thought it was because everyone else was stupid, and couldn't see the obvious and logical way to think about things. 

[mordok]

something like that, yes.  i've learned to accept intellectually that people don't think like me, but i can never work out why, even though i "know" it's because everyone's different.  when i was young, i thought it was because everyone else was stupid, and couldn't see the obvious and logical way to think about things. 

You mean that's not true?   

[Lucifer]

i know !  incredible, isn't it?

[mordok]

i know !  incredible, isn't it?

I may owe some people a few apologies.

Nah.   

[Lucifer]

i think i love you.   

[DirtDawg]

i know !  incredible, isn't it?

I may owe some people a few apologies.

Nah.   

Nah!

I often got into trouble because I thought everyone was as "smart" as I am.

[Callaway]

i know !  incredible, isn't it?

I may owe some people a few apologies.

Nah.   

Nah!

I often got into trouble because I thought everyone was as "smart" as I am.

Me too!  My husband reminds me all the time that half the people have an IQ below 100, every time I wonder why someone did something that I think is stupid.

[Christopher McCandless]

i know !  incredible, isn't it?

I may owe some people a few apologies.

Nah.   

Nah!

I often got into trouble because I thought everyone was as "smart" as I am.

Me too!  My husband reminds me all the time that half the people have an IQ below 100, every time I wonder why someone did something that I think is stupid.

It makes Richard look bright, isnt he the only one who is under on this board? Asides perhaps Ahayes...