Ask the reformed peaguy something.

[Minister Of Silly Walks]

MGTOWs believe that men are better off without women in their lives. Less stress and more money.

[Dirty Big Yoke]

Which is still incel as fuck since they only do so due to thinking that women would never date/fuck them to begin with.

Vocels are really just incels trying to kid themselves.

It's the attitude that counts, not necessarily the situation.

[Dirty Big Yoke]

FFS. Scrap might be a fascist, but that's certail;y not a Fascist opinion.  I thought it was long-ago  established that support for Brexit has bugger-all to do with Fascism, but you appear to have missed that debate.  Most Brexiters are in fact left-wing, and largely belong to the least privileged classes.   I think this extract from a 2017 article in The Socialist explains it pretty well:

It is obvious that I meant more beyond the scope of the individual post.... although the "4th reich" nonsense in regards to the EU is most often said by far-right types.

Not the smartest post you've made, to be honest.

[Gopher Gary]

MGTOWs believe that men are better off without women in their lives. Less stress and more money.

Some women have figured that out too. 

[Gopher Gary]

Vocels are really just incels trying to kid themselves.

I know one, and have to disagree. 

[Dirty Big Yoke]

Disagree if you want, but anyone who simply doesn't want to have sex isn't automatically a vocel. Are asexuals vocel? No. You might think they are because technically they do not want to have sex, but they don't subscribe to the attitudes or rhetoric that identifies them as being vocel. Vocels do it due to their hatred of women because of bad experiences in the past eg. not getting sex to begin with, or simply having far too high of standards of what they expect from women, which is why it's practically just incel in denial. They use the exact same rhetoric too.

Same with incels - not being able to get sex doesn't automatically make you one, again it's the attitude and rhetoric.

It's basically the whiny mantra, "nice guys finish last", wrapped up in different forms.

[Gopher Gary]

I din't even say anyone who doesn't want to have sex is a vocel, but you seem to be saying there really is no such thing and they're kidding themselves because no one wants them anyway, and now you're saying negative crap about hating women. The person I know just doesn't want kids, so much so they're not wiling to take any risk, and haven't made the leap into surgery. Maybe because there's actually still a risk. You're being really judgmental.

[Gopher Gary]

I also don't thin a voluntary celebrate is necessarily someone who doesn't want sex, they just choose not to have it. 

[Walkie]

Vocel definition:

Voluntarily celibate for reasons of asexuality, prevention of unplanned pregnancy, STDs, or aversion to social relationships or unforeseen legal complications/consequences and financial discipline.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Vocel
looks like the Gopher wins 

[Gopher Gary]

STDs Now there's a good reason too.

[Dirty Big Yoke]

I also don't thin a voluntary celebrate is necessarily someone who doesn't want sex, they just choose not to have it. 

Again... it's not wanting sex, it's the attitude and rhetoric. Any "vocel" I've met, when put under scrutiny, just turned out to be an incel in denial. They use the same rhetoric, so it makes sense.

Look into the "manosphere" and how they all relate to one another.

[Dirty Big Yoke]

Vocel definition:

Voluntarily celibate for reasons of asexuality, prevention of unplanned pregnancy, STDs, or aversion to social relationships or unforeseen legal complications/consequences and financial discipline.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Vocel
looks like the Gopher wins 

 

Stop. You're being completely stupid now.

[Gopher Gary]

Quit being a sore loser. 

[Dirty Big Yoke]

Well done, an urban dictionary entry, totes beaten me!   

Again, look up the "manosphere" and how it all relates to one another. From there you can see how vocels are really just incels in denial. You often see the same unrealistic expectations/stereotypes of women. You'll also see a lot of anti-masturbation rhetoric too.

Also, a lot of self-proclaimed vocels are MGTOW, which if you look into it, is pretty cringey and incel in its own right:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Going_Their_Own_Way

[Gopher Gary]

This is the first time I ever heard about MGTOW, so I haven't' said anything about that, except to make a joke. I looked up manosphere on wikipedia and it doesn't say anything about voluntary celibates. I'm not saying there's no such thing as celibate woman haters who couldn't get a woman if they wanted to. I just don't feel the need to paint all celibate men with the same negative brush. 

Well done, an urban dictionary entry, totes beaten me!   

Yeah, that's right.