Interrogate PMS Elle!

[Scrapheap]

And I'm sure there are hermaphrodites who do it, too.

[Quagmire]Giggty, giggity, giggity, goo![/Quagmire]

[Trigger 11]

Do you think people who have sex changes do it as well? Would they be more likely to do so, or less likely since they probably dealt with it from the other perspective?

[Trigger 11]

How do you define lying? Do you distinguish between lies, misleading information, withholding information, and so on? What about when doing so to protect the other person(s)? Seeing as truth is an interpretation of facts, and interpretations are open to the interpreter, the use of the term lie is overused in my opinion.

How I'd define lying is situation-specific, as is how I'd react to it.

However that last sentence is spoken like someone who's been accused of lying, and is still feeling the sting.   

I had to sleep on this and still cannot come up with anything. Do you know something I do not?

[renaeden]

Do you think people who have sex changes do it as well? Would they be more likely to do so, or less likely since they probably dealt with it from the other perspective?

Loads of people do it. Male, female, whatever. I wonder when this will actually be understood instead of this silly male/female rivalry about who does what.

[El]

Do you think people who have sex changes do it as well? Would they be more likely to do so, or less likely since they probably dealt with it from the other perspective?

Of course.  They may have changed their genetalia, but not their humanity.

How do you define lying? Do you distinguish between lies, misleading information, withholding information, and so on? What about when doing so to protect the other person(s)? Seeing as truth is an interpretation of facts, and interpretations are open to the interpreter, the use of the term lie is overused in my opinion.

How I'd define lying is situation-specific, as is how I'd react to it.

However that last sentence is spoken like someone who's been accused of lying, and is still feeling the sting.  

I had to sleep on this and still cannot come up with anything. Do you know something I do not?

*shrug*  Nope, just guessing.

Do you think people who have sex changes do it as well? Would they be more likely to do so, or less likely since they probably dealt with it from the other perspective?

Loads of people do it. Male, female, whatever. I wonder when this will actually be understood instead of this silly male/female rivalry about who does what.

Exactly.  There are some legitimate differences in *tendencies* of males and females, but all human beings are capable of being manipulative.

[Trigger 11]

How do you define lying? Do you distinguish between lies, misleading information, withholding information, and so on? What about when doing so to protect the other person(s)? Seeing as truth is an interpretation of facts, and interpretations are open to the interpreter, the use of the term lie is overused in my opinion.

How I'd define lying is situation-specific, as is how I'd react to it.

However that last sentence is spoken like someone who's been accused of lying, and is still feeling the sting.  

I had to sleep on this and still cannot come up with anything. Do you know something I do not?

*shrug*  Nope, just guessing.

Still trying to find character flaws in me, are you?

[El]

How do you define lying? Do you distinguish between lies, misleading information, withholding information, and so on? What about when doing so to protect the other person(s)? Seeing as truth is an interpretation of facts, and interpretations are open to the interpreter, the use of the term lie is overused in my opinion.

How I'd define lying is situation-specific, as is how I'd react to it.

However that last sentence is spoken like someone who's been accused of lying, and is still feeling the sting.  

I had to sleep on this and still cannot come up with anything. Do you know something I do not?

*shrug*  Nope, just guessing.

Still trying to find character flaws in me, are you?

Who says it's a character flaw to be accused of lying?  Everybody lies; lots of people get caught.

[Trigger 11]

*crosses fingers behind back*

I never lie!

Actually, what I like to do is bullshit, but in a way that is so over the top it shouldn't be taken as true. I don't consider it lying unless there is deceitful intent...I suppose.

[El]

*crosses fingers behind back*

I never lie!

Actually, what I like to do is bullshit, but in a way that is so over the top it shouldn't be taken as true. I don't consider it lying unless there is deceitful intent...I suppose.

Ah, but how fully do you disclose intent... to yourself, as well as to others?

[RageBeoulve]

I do the same thing as trig, and you can always tell cause I have a sideways smile when I do it.

[Trigger 11]

*crosses fingers behind back*

I never lie!

Actually, what I like to do is bullshit, but in a way that is so over the top it shouldn't be taken as true. I don't consider it lying unless there is deceitful intent...I suppose.

Ah, but how fully do you disclose intent... to yourself, as well as to others?

I'm not really capable of straight-up lying anyway. I've lied to protect others and, when I was younger, because it was recommended and I couldn't see any problem with it as it was to people who didn't have any business knowing the truth anyway. My intent is always pure, unless I am bullshitting for fun. I have no issues being called on something in either case. I don't recall ever lying to hurt someone. Definitely not intentionally.

I've never lied to get laid. In fact, I've done quite the opposite and not gotten laid.

I've never lied to gain financially.

I've never lied to get out of legal jams. Again, quite the opposite has occured. Including one time in court where I went into so much explicit detail to prove my innocence that the Attorney for the City used my words against me to try and place intent into my actions that wasn't there. Still pisses me off and is a big part of why I will never serve on a jury. The system is corrupt. Truth and honesty mean nothing. It's all about who can twist the perspective of the judge and jury to believe their side. Makes me ill!

[RageBeoulve]

*crosses fingers behind back*

I never lie!

Actually, what I like to do is bullshit, but in a way that is so over the top it shouldn't be taken as true. I don't consider it lying unless there is deceitful intent...I suppose.

Ah, but how fully do you disclose intent... to yourself, as well as to others?

I'm not really capable of straight-up lying anyway. I've lied to protect others and, when I was younger, because it was recommended and I couldn't see any problem with it as it was to people who didn't have any business knowing the truth anyway. My intent is always pure, unless I am bullshitting for fun. I have no issues being called on something in either case. I don't recall ever lying to hurt someone. Definitely not intentionally.

I've never lied to get laid. In fact, I've done quite the opposite and not gotten laid.

I've never lied to gain financially.

I've never lied to get out of legal jams. Again, quite the opposite has occured. Including one time in court where I went into so much explicit detail to prove my innocence that the Attorney for the City used my words against me to try and place intent into my actions that wasn't there. Still pisses me off and is a big part of why I will never serve on a jury. The system is corrupt. Truth and honesty mean nothing. It's all about who can twist the perspective of the judge and jury to believe their side. Makes me ill!

Weeell I don't really care about the system unless it affects me. Cold I know. But yeah i'm not in the habit of lying for personal gain. Everybody lies though. I just fucking lied as a matter of fact. 

[El]

I do the same thing as trig, and you can always tell cause I have a sideways smile when I do it.

What thing is that?

*crosses fingers behind back*

I never lie!

Actually, what I like to do is bullshit, but in a way that is so over the top it shouldn't be taken as true. I don't consider it lying unless there is deceitful intent...I suppose.

Ah, but how fully do you disclose intent... to yourself, as well as to others?

I'm not really capable of straight-up lying anyway. I've lied to protect others and, when I was younger, because it was recommended and I couldn't see any problem with it as it was to people who didn't have any business knowing the truth anyway. My intent is always pure, unless I am bullshitting for fun. I have no issues being called on something in either case. I don't recall ever lying to hurt someone. Definitely not intentionally.

I've never lied to get laid. In fact, I've done quite the opposite and not gotten laid.

I've never lied to gain financially.

I've never lied to get out of legal jams. Again, quite the opposite has occured. Including one time in court where I went into so much explicit detail to prove my innocence that the Attorney for the City used my words against me to try and place intent into my actions that wasn't there. Still pisses me off and is a big part of why I will never serve on a jury. The system is corrupt. Truth and honesty mean nothing. It's all about who can twist the perspective of the judge and jury to believe their side. Makes me ill!

Weeell I don't really care about the system unless it affects me. Cold I know. But yeah i'm not in the habit of lying for personal gain. Everybody lies though. I just fucking lied as a matter of fact. 

I care about the system- or at least, I care enough to be pissed off at how borked it is.  My only issue with lying to get out of a legal jam would be getting caught perjuring myself.  Then again, the most illegal thing I do in my life is breaking the speed limit.

Lying for personal gain doesn't usually occur to me, but I think the issue is whether or not someone else will incur a perosnal loss.  After what happened my first year in grad school I feel totally fine about lying to my parents about some things if I need to, more to prevent peronsal loss than perosnal gain.  (Before then, I was an idiot, and felt guilty.)

Lying to get laid is generally skeezy.  Though, to be fair, I *do* lie (or outright refuse to talk about) about some things from my childhood that won't affect my partner not to hear but might freak them out *to* hear, particularly early on.  Plus there's that oh "Oh you poor thing!" reaction I get a lot, which is just plain lousy as a primary impression when you compare it to "Wow, you're really fun to be around!"

[RageBeoulve]

I do the same thing as trig, and you can always tell cause I have a sideways smile when I do it.

What thing is that?

*crosses fingers behind back*

I never lie!

Actually, what I like to do is bullshit, but in a way that is so over the top it shouldn't be taken as true. I don't consider it lying unless there is deceitful intent...I suppose.

Ah, but how fully do you disclose intent... to yourself, as well as to others?

I'm not really capable of straight-up lying anyway. I've lied to protect others and, when I was younger, because it was recommended and I couldn't see any problem with it as it was to people who didn't have any business knowing the truth anyway. My intent is always pure, unless I am bullshitting for fun. I have no issues being called on something in either case. I don't recall ever lying to hurt someone. Definitely not intentionally.

I've never lied to get laid. In fact, I've done quite the opposite and not gotten laid.

I've never lied to gain financially.

I've never lied to get out of legal jams. Again, quite the opposite has occured. Including one time in court where I went into so much explicit detail to prove my innocence that the Attorney for the City used my words against me to try and place intent into my actions that wasn't there. Still pisses me off and is a big part of why I will never serve on a jury. The system is corrupt. Truth and honesty mean nothing. It's all about who can twist the perspective of the judge and jury to believe their side. Makes me ill!

Weeell I don't really care about the system unless it affects me. Cold I know. But yeah i'm not in the habit of lying for personal gain. Everybody lies though. I just fucking lied as a matter of fact. 

I care about the system- or at least, I care enough to be pissed off at how borked it is.  My only issue with lying to get out of a legal jam would be getting caught perjuring myself.  Then again, the most illegal thing I do in my life is breaking the speed limit.

Lying for personal gain doesn't usually occur to me, but I think the issue is whether or not someone else will incur a perosnal loss.  After what happened my first year in grad school I feel totally fine about lying to my parents about some things if I need to, more to prevent peronsal loss than perosnal gain.  (Before then, I was an idiot, and felt guilty.)

Lying to get laid is generally skeezy.  Though, to be fair, I *do* lie (or outright refuse to talk about) about some things from my childhood that won't affect my partner not to hear but might freak them out *to* hear, particularly early on.  Plus there's that oh "Oh you poor thing!" reaction I get a lot, which is just plain lousy as a primary impression when you compare it to "Wow, you're really fun to be around!"

The sideways smile? One corner of the mouth draws back slightly.

[El]

I do the same thing as trig, and you can always tell cause I have a sideways smile when I do it.

What thing is that?

The sideways smile? One corner of the mouth draws back slightly.

No, I mean what thing do you do that Trig does that you smile when you do?