Where did the US screw up?

[Eamonn]

"Glasgow is the largest and most dynamic economy in Scotland and is at the hub of the metropolitan area of West Central Scotland. The city itself sustains more than 410,000 jobs in over 12,000 companies. Over 153,000 jobs have been created in the city since 2000 - a growth rate of 32%.[43] Glasgow's annual economic growth rate of 4.4% is now second only to that of London. In 2005 alone over 17,000 new jobs were created, and 2006 saw private-sector investment in the city reaching £4.2 billion pounds, an increase of 22% in a single year.[44] The city has outstripped many of its European rivals in terms of economic growth. 55% of the residents in the Greater Glasgow area commute to the city every day. Once dominant Manufacturing industries such as shipbuilding and heavy engineering have been gradually replaced in importance by a modern mixed economy, supported by public and private investment and a skilled workforce.[45]"

So much for the Union then, eh?

And please, if they hate England so much, and that it's justifiable, why speak the language? Why not Gaelic? Talk about pot kettle black.

Glasgow is the poorest city in Britain due to the deliberate decimation of it's once proud labour force because they voted to the left of the ruling tory parties of the time. There is that many people commuting from outside Glasgow city walls because they have all left. Look at how the Republic of Ireland has flourished since independence (not to mention norway since they got independence from sweden) and it doesnt have the North sea oil. We speak English because like most of the world it was forced on us. Why does the English use fireworks if they dont want to be ruled by china, you ignoramus, they made it. Why dont they use sherbit powder instead?  Im looking forward to independence, if  you are the standard of brainpower they have on average. The sooner the better, i say.

[maldoror]

So black and white some of you Scots are. England -- the root of all evils.

"Don't hate the player, hate the game" lol

Might makes right?   England was the most powerful nation in the world due to its navy for quite some time.   They did their fair share of good and bad.

Like all nations. I fail to see why the Scots have to view us as something unredeemably vile when we're not. Blame Braveheart and Mel Gibson's manboobs.

The Scottish people generate some of the most influential figures in the union, and yet they still winge that they receive bad treatment and are treated like second-class citizens.

Are you being sarcastic?  Who wouldn't complain about being treated poorly and as a second class citizen?

As far as the US screwing up?  It's religion... it's all religion fucking this place up.

I disagree. I think that religion is a veil for the real interests that run this country and we distract ourselves by bitching about a paper tigfer. (I am agnostic, by the way).

"Glasgow is the largest and most dynamic economy in Scotland and is at the hub of the metropolitan area of West Central Scotland. The city itself sustains more than 410,000 jobs in over 12,000 companies. Over 153,000 jobs have been created in the city since 2000 - a growth rate of 32%.[43] Glasgow's annual economic growth rate of 4.4% is now second only to that of London. In 2005 alone over 17,000 new jobs were created, and 2006 saw private-sector investment in the city reaching £4.2 billion pounds, an increase of 22% in a single year.[44] The city has outstripped many of its European rivals in terms of economic growth. 55% of the residents in the Greater Glasgow area commute to the city every day. Once dominant Manufacturing industries such as shipbuilding and heavy engineering have been gradually replaced in importance by a modern mixed economy, supported by public and private investment and a skilled workforce.[45]"

So much for the Union then, eh?

And please, if they hate England so much, and that it's justifiable, why speak the language? Why not Gaelic? Talk about pot kettle black.

Learning Scottish Gaelic is one of my lifetime goals.

[Eamonn]

Learning Scottish Gaelic is one of my lifetime goals.

Good luck with that. Itll probably take you that long. I've watched tons of gaelic programs here and still dont understand a fucking word.

[The_P]

"Glasgow is the largest and most dynamic economy in Scotland and is at the hub of the metropolitan area of West Central Scotland. The city itself sustains more than 410,000 jobs in over 12,000 companies. Over 153,000 jobs have been created in the city since 2000 - a growth rate of 32%.[43] Glasgow's annual economic growth rate of 4.4% is now second only to that of London. In 2005 alone over 17,000 new jobs were created, and 2006 saw private-sector investment in the city reaching £4.2 billion pounds, an increase of 22% in a single year.[44] The city has outstripped many of its European rivals in terms of economic growth. 55% of the residents in the Greater Glasgow area commute to the city every day. Once dominant Manufacturing industries such as shipbuilding and heavy engineering have been gradually replaced in importance by a modern mixed economy, supported by public and private investment and a skilled workforce.[45]"

So much for the Union then, eh?

And please, if they hate England so much, and that it's justifiable, why speak the language? Why not Gaelic? Talk about pot kettle black.

Glasgow is the poorest city in Britain due to the deliberate decimation of it's once proud labour force because they voted to the left of the ruling tory parties of the time. There is that many people commuting from outside Glasgow city walls because they have all left. Look at how the Republic of Ireland has flourished since independence (not to mention norway since they got independence from sweden) and it doesnt have the North sea oil. We speak English because like most of the world it was forced on us. Why does the English use fireworks if they dont want to be ruled by china, you ignoramus, they made it. Why dont they use sherbit powder instead?  Im looking forward to independence, if  you are the standard of brainpower they have on average. The sooner the better, i say.

Aw, it was forced on you? So much for Robert the Bruce and his tedious bravado, then.

And what the fuck are you doing for your city, seeing as it's convenient for you to whine how terrible the English are to you while sitting on your fat arse like your good old patron saint doing fuck-all?



Funny show, though.

[Eamonn]

"Glasgow is the largest and most dynamic economy in Scotland and is at the hub of the metropolitan area of West Central Scotland. The city itself sustains more than 410,000 jobs in over 12,000 companies. Over 153,000 jobs have been created in the city since 2000 - a growth rate of 32%.[43] Glasgow's annual economic growth rate of 4.4% is now second only to that of London. In 2005 alone over 17,000 new jobs were created, and 2006 saw private-sector investment in the city reaching £4.2 billion pounds, an increase of 22% in a single year.[44] The city has outstripped many of its European rivals in terms of economic growth. 55% of the residents in the Greater Glasgow area commute to the city every day. Once dominant Manufacturing industries such as shipbuilding and heavy engineering have been gradually replaced in importance by a modern mixed economy, supported by public and private investment and a skilled workforce.[45]"

So much for the Union then, eh?

And please, if they hate England so much, and that it's justifiable, why speak the language? Why not Gaelic? Talk about pot kettle black.

Glasgow is the poorest city in Britain due to the deliberate decimation of it's once proud labour force because they voted to the left of the ruling tory parties of the time. There is that many people commuting from outside Glasgow city walls because they have all left. Look at how the Republic of Ireland has flourished since independence (not to mention norway since they got independence from sweden) and it doesnt have the North sea oil. We speak English because like most of the world it was forced on us. Why does the English use fireworks if they dont want to be ruled by china, you ignoramus, they made it. Why dont they use sherbit powder instead?  Im looking forward to independence, if  you are the standard of brainpower they have on average. The sooner the better, i say.

Aw, it was forced on you? So much for Robert the Bruce and his tedious bravado, then.

And what the fuck are you doing for your city, seeing as it's convenient for you to whine how terrible the English are to you while sitting on your fat arse like your good old patron saint doing fuck-all?



Funny show, though.

It was forced on us by politicians, the people never voted for the union and in fact there were riots in Glasgow over it. Im helping spread the stereotype that we are all lazy bastards by being one myself. What more do you want? Now beat it!

[ozymandias]

When we elected Ronald Reagan for president, aka Presiden Alzheimers.  And except for Clinton, we've had managed presidents ever since.  The rise of people like Karl Rove and Dickhead Cheney (who was in the reagan admin.) began then.

[Alex179]

I disagree. I think that religion is a veil for the real interests that run this country and we distract ourselves by bitching about a paper tigfer. (I am agnostic, by the way).

Agreed it distracts us from the real shit going on in the background, special interest groups are more than just religious types.  Religion is just one of several factors unfortunately.   It would be easier if we could focus on just one problem, but there are several that are a part of the big picture.   

[Eamonn]

When we elected Ronald Reagan for president, aka Presiden Alzheimers.  And except for Clinton, we've had managed presidents ever since.  The rise of people like Karl Rove and Dickhead Cheney (who was in the reagan admin.) began then.

That feller was good in 'Sante fe trail'. I havent watched that in years but just bought the dvd yesterday. Bloody abolitionist John Brown.

[McGiver]

banking.  insurance. and the stockmarket.
that is where we went wrong.

[Calandale]

No damn it. It was the flouride in the water.

 

[Nomaken]

We got sufficiently ahead(economically and scientifically) and became lazy.  There is no reason to advanced those things unless it gives us a significant advantage over the potential enemies.  Now that we are rolling in the luxury we do not feel motivated to make our nation-dick any bigger.
It is like the story of the tortise and the hare, except since generally all countries have the same desire to gain an advantage over potential enemies and reach our state of luxury, the tortise is not only going to pass the hare, he is going to evolve into a goddamn pteradactyl, leave us in the dust, and we'll have forgotten by then how to evolve into something faster.

[The_P]

This is an interesting YouTube video concerning America and it's imperialism:

[Eclair]

i wonder why britain went through all this trouble.   i mean: countries are not just altruistic in their endeavers.  there must have been a bootom line that is not being discussed....debeers?

Yeah the African diamond mines are fucking terrible.  It is true that both of the people who formed De Beers were English and so is the company itself (named the company after the two Dutch brothers who discovered the mines).    Britian had quite a few problems with its many colonies and probably thought the whole ordeal wasn't worth the effort.   The industrial revolution made it easier to do tasks that required more workers in the past, this made slavery less attractive to most.   De Beers had to be a factor though.

To Eclair:  I agree that America has benefitted greatly from immigrants, they come into our country and work extremely hard to make their way from the bottom.   I wouldn't be too proud if it only took one race to make my country great (maybe if I was 100% something I guess I would).   It is harder to integrate people from different cultures and have them work together towards common goals.   I was arguing that slaves (which were the topic not immigrants) were not that huge of a factor in making America great.    Their biggest contribution was Jazz music in my opinion, which is significant.

It wasn't really an intentional dig on how the Aussies treat their indigenous people, just saying indigenous people always seem to get treated like shit.   I could have referred to any European colony really.   I actually thought you treated the Aborigines better than we did with our own indians (our version of making up for it is letting them open casinos lol). 

How do you think people got wealthy?  By using slaves to do their work and build up their riches.  Of course slavery enabled a huge growth in America.

[Alex179]

How do you think people got wealthy?  By using slaves to do their work and build up their riches.  Of course slavery enabled a huge growth in America.

Yes agriculturally mostly up until slavery ended it did.  The old South is destroyed pretty much for except for Savannah, Sherman burned it to the ground (bye Atlanta).   America gained the most more recently post WW2, before that it was decent but not the world power economically and militarily that it is now.  It was a factor this is true, several other colonies and nations were built up by slaves as well.

[Eclair]

How do you think people got wealthy?  By using slaves to do their work and build up their riches.  Of course slavery enabled a huge growth in America.

Yes agriculturally mostly up until slavery ended it did.  The old South is destroyed pretty much for except for Savannah, Sherman burned it to the ground (bye Atlanta).   America gained the most more recently post WW2, before that it was decent but not the world power economically and militarily that it is now.  It was a factor this is true, several other colonies and nations were built up by slaves as well.

I don't know about world power...I'd equate it more like a flashy salesman.