i dunno if i want to read them. i don't feel it's my right if she didn't want them to be seen.
It's a very accurate insite into Lucifer's true character. She's not what she appears to be. You only see an image of Lucifer that she wants you to see.
i've seen Lucifer be kind and sweet and i have seen you be an peaguy so who do i trust on this issue? 
Ummm…you’re being somewhat naïve here, Bjork. People with NPD (and other manipulative disorders) will be ingratiatingly nice to people, so long as it serves their purposes. They’re very good at inspiring blind loyealty in people, and they often have “friends†who point blank refuse to listen to the POV of their “enemies†or to weigh up the evidence for themselves., before launching themselves into an an all-out assault against said enemies.
(Yep, like Hardon, I’ve encounterered ‘em before, both IRL and on-line. In one case, the guy in question pre-emptively accused me. and another person of “spreading lies†about him, just because we knew a thing or two about him, which he feared becoming public knowledge Nobody had any idea what these “lies†were, ‘cause we hadn’t actually spread them about, but that didn’t stop his friends laying into us on his say-so. He’d been sweet as pie to them, so they trusted him)
I’m not saying that Lucifer has NPD (If I’m gonna throw my two cents in, I’d say it looks more like APD or good-old-fashioned psycopathy to me.) All I’m saying is , if you’re trying to tell us that Lucifer doesn’t have NPD, nor any of those other personality disorders, then you’re shooting yourself in the foot.
i'm not naive. i'm not blind. i see very clearly thank you. i just got new glasses.
i haven't seen Lucifer do anything wrong so why should i think she had when there's no proof? that's not naive, that's being fair.
i like Lucifer and if she has NPD, ok then. it's not my place to judge her for her acronyms. i have quite a few myself. what happened between her and neuroman is their business and frankly what you are doing is called butting in. what i am doing is called defending a friend. maybe you think that's what you're doing but really you're just attacking my friend.
i haven't assaulted anyone, you're the one who has. Pyraxis attacked Luficer. Lucifer's friends have attacked noone, neither Lucifer herself.
i can listen to Neuroman's POV if he cares to show up. but i will not be 100% certain anything quoted online is true because it can be changed. it has happened to a friend of mine, her journal was modified so that it sounded like she had written it, only parts were changed to make her look bad. so i don't trust quotes, to trust them, if anything, would be blindness and naivety, imo.
plus i have ADD so i can't be assed reading all this crap just to see what the hell this hooplah is about. if you want to give me actual proof i'll accept it, i'll read it. until then i don't give a crap. it's Pyraxis and her minions who are attacking Lucifer and i'm just here to say fuck off.
See my reply to Odeon above.
I think you
are being naïve,
if you think that somebody who’s very kind to a selected few must therefore be a “kjind wonderful person†all round, who would never do anything unkind. They might be , but then again they might not be. That said, I don’t mean to suggest that you’re being naïve in standing up for your friend. (Don’t we all stand up for our friends? ) , just that the
argument you put forward is naïve; .and we’d have to be naïve to buy it.
Also I think that that it’s dangerously naïve to trust someone so much that you refuse to even consider any alternative POV I surely wouldn’t trust my friends to be always above reproach , cause they all look like human beings to me. I hope I’dllalways be willing to give any complaints about ‘em a fair hearing (Besides,, I feel I’m be better equipped to defend ‘em, when do. That’s reason enough in itself)
That said I’m not sure it’s fair to accuse you of that degree “blind loyalty†(you did put forward another reason for refusing to look at those logs after all) but I stand by my observation that you’re coming across that way, and thus undermining your credibilty. For anyone who’s tangled with a Narcisstist before, your argumen twould tend ring warning bells, rather than reassure. That’s a fact. You can argue that those bells ring a false warning, but they would definitely ring.
I tried to explain to you exactly why those warning bells would ring, and I chose an example that couldn’t be mistaken for an allegation against Lucifer (There are some obvious differences as callaway noted) , in the hope that you wouldn’t take it personally, but look at it objectvely, and take my point. I think it’s a point worth making.
You did take it personally.. Oh well. I can let that go,, And maybe it’s my fault or not being clear enopugh, but I’m not apologising. Like I said to Odeaon, I’ve been a damned sight more careful not to give offenser to Lucifer’s friends, than they’ve been with my friends, and I’m not prepared to go any further in that direction than I already do. I don’t see any good in going further
I mean, I’m actually saying what I mean, but I wonder if I’m putting it too politely, already? Maybe I ought to be pouring forth a stream of intentional insults, to save people you trouble of hunting through my words to find ‘em? Then you’d maybe be convinced that I don’t have a hidden agenda, and we could have some sort of realistic dialogue?
I seriously do wonder about that .One thing that attracts me to this no-hold-barred arena, is that people are free to say what they mean., and I see a lot a value in that. But where’s the good in being free to say what you mean, if nobidy believes that you’re doing precisely that? And if it takes an essay to explain yourself half-way sufficiently. And people don’t like essays.
(oh, and btw, I don’t intend term “naïve†as an insult. I think I’m often absurdly naïve , myself, in some ways. Thaty’s a perennial hazzard of havng AS. But do feel free take it as an insult if that makes you feel more comfortable, just don’t call me to task on it. I’m not up to explaining myself, at this kind of length repeatedly. There are not enough hours in the day. )
You say: “Lucifer’s friends have attacked noone, neither Lucifer herselfâ€
That’s debatable..
*sigh *
OK, then (let’s try, once again to explain what I’m doing here. Then you can ask me once again what my real agenda is. And McJ can kick my butt again for trying to involve him in an heinous conspiracy, and so forth. )
But let's split this into two, at least . That might be slightly easier on the eyes, and it will be a chance to take a little break, before slogging through it again, trying to correct all my typos (continued on my next post)
