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Re: Psychologists who treat the deeply delusional.
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2007, 01:13:22 PM »
I'm a skeptic at heart. And I want certainty,
but can't have it.

The thing which really worries me, is
that I'd be able to do a half-assed job,
and no more. Which is to say that I'd
slip in and out of delusions, and never
fully be able to control them. Without
control, and without them being absolute,
it just becomes another world like this one,
but with even more inconsistencies to make
it seem unreal.

This sounds like the plotline to the comic book "The Maxx" they had a cartoon version of it on MTV about 10 years ago... did you ever see it??

No. And I've believed these things since I can remember
(say 9yrs old).

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Re: Psychologists who treat the deeply delusional.
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2007, 02:35:25 AM »
If you want to increase your delusions all you have to do is what delusions do naturally: attempt to rationalize them.  Genuinely crazy people have a edge on you, so you gotta start thinking creatively to make up the difference.  You are looking for premises which cannot be proven or disproven.  Like people who use god exists as a premise, or that good and evil exist as a premise.  If they accept those things as truths then they can support any argument they like.  Happeh took as his premises that any quality in a picture he looked at, and he wanted to, was a disfiguration.  Plus he posited that people do masturbate, and since the statistics show that that is quite common, near universal for men, and due to our societies privacy values concerning it, there is no way that any subject he selected could be proven or disproven to have been masturbating.  Using those undisprovable premises, he could support any argument he liked.  It isn't scientific, but logical arguments dont need to be scientific, and using logical arguments to build ideas you form working models to base sense and knowledge with.

It is impossible to prove gravity exists, but people accept that it does, and based on other premises like that people have formed the study of physics and all of its principles and workings.
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Re: Psychologists who treat the deeply delusional.
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2007, 02:40:30 AM »
If you want to increase your delusions all you have to do is what delusions do naturally: attempt to rationalize them.  Genuinely crazy people have a edge on you, so you gotta start thinking creatively to make up the difference.  You are looking for premises which cannot be proven or disproven.  Like people who use god exists as a premise, or that good and evil exist as a premise.  If they accept those things as truths then they can support any argument they like.  Happeh took as his premises that any quality in a picture he looked at, and he wanted to, was a disfiguration.  Plus he posited that people do masturbate, and since the statistics show that that is quite common, near universal for men, and due to our societies privacy values concerning it, there is no way that any subject he selected could be proven or disproven to have been masturbating.  Using those undisprovable premises, he could support any argument he liked.  It isn't scientific, but logical arguments dont need to be scientific, and using logical arguments to build ideas you form working models to base sense and knowledge with.

It is impossible to prove gravity exists, but people accept that it does, and based on other premises like that people have formed the study of physics and all of its principles and workings.

Doesn't seem like enough though. I mean, say I want to
negate gravity. I can certainly make some argument up
that I could convince myself of, but it doesn't mean that
my perceptions would change enough to walk on air. Nor
am I quite stupid enough to believe my faith.

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Re: Psychologists who treat the deeply delusional.
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2007, 12:38:31 PM »
You can constitute some other explanation for gravity.  Just take something unprovable that shows that you aren't bound by gravity, and it only appears like you do because other peoples perceptions are flawed.  Seriously, be creative and you can make up anything you care to.
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Re: Psychologists who treat the deeply delusional.
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2007, 01:08:16 PM »
No doubt. It's not the explanations that I want
to change, but the perceptions which cause them.

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Re: Psychologists who treat the deeply delusional.
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2007, 01:15:32 PM »
Well if you cant systematically cause yourself to believe anything you want, then there is one sure fire way of becoming delusional.  Crystal meth.
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Re: Psychologists who treat the deeply delusional.
« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2007, 01:16:47 PM »
Well if you cant systematically cause yourself to believe anything you want, then there is one sure fire way of becoming delusional.  Crystal meth.

Meth users still seem to interact with
reality as though it is mostly there.
I doubt that they have either the
kind of control, or the absolute
changes that I desire.

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Re: Psychologists who treat the deeply delusional.
« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2007, 01:17:56 PM »
Trust me, it is called amphetamine psychosis.  The longer you use it, the crazier you will become.
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Re: Psychologists who treat the deeply delusional.
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2007, 01:23:29 PM »
I'm unwilling to let go, all on faith.
I pretty much want it all now, or
nothing. How I am about most things.

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Re: Psychologists who treat the deeply delusional.
« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2007, 01:36:32 PM »
This is not a matter of faith.  Look at the evidence, the statistics, fuck your stupid personal opinions about meth users.  Crystal meth is one of the biggest red lights for therapists who find out their patients use it as their drug of choice.  If you smoke crystal meth, you are GOING to go insane.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphetamine_psychosis

The fastest way to go nuts is to get CRYSTAL meth, not just meth pills.  You consume it by putting the crystals in a pipe and vaporizing them with a lighter and inhaling the vaporized gas.  Crystal meth is the most intense and powerful version of it, and will make you get delusions and hallucinations the fastest.
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Re: Psychologists who treat the deeply delusional.
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2007, 01:49:47 PM »
Seductive, but I still don't have the faith that
I'd have the control. Or the purity. Plus, people
would say it's why I spam.

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Re: Psychologists who treat the deeply delusional.
« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2007, 01:58:44 PM »
http://rnceus.com/meth/methpsych.html

Hanna capps has mild amphetamine psychosis, she has posted here before.

Ever seen requiem for a dream?  Sara goldfarb had amphetamine psychosis.
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Re: Psychologists who treat the deeply delusional.
« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2007, 02:09:19 PM »
Way too weak. Not what I want.

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Re: Psychologists who treat the deeply delusional.
« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2007, 02:16:38 PM »
The only way you can not be using this is if you dont actually want to be crazy and you are just saying you do for some other reason.  Ask any doctor about crystal meth and you will get an earful of warnings about getting symptoms like paranoid schizophrenia.
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