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[Calandale]

I don't buy it. A lot of social interaction is not manipulation.

[Eclair]

I don't buy it. A lot of social interaction is not manipulation.

Not if you have AS.  I agree.

[Lurk Hurk Gurk]

I don't buy it. A lot of social interaction is not manipulation.

Not if you have AS.  I agree.

Not otherwise either. Though NTs indeed seem significantly more prone to manipulating.

And the physical differences between the brains of aspies and NTs being more in the way of what differs between the average man and average woman, the observations many have made of most women being more manipulative make sense; they are balanced further in that direction.

[Calandale]

A GREAT deal of social interaction is just play.

[Eclair]

I don't buy it. A lot of social interaction is not manipulation.

Not if you have AS.  I agree.

Not otherwise either. Though NTs indeed seem significantly more prone to manipulating.

And the physical differences between the brains of aspies and NTs being more in the way of what differs between the average man and average woman, the observations many have made of most women being more manipulative make sense; they are balanced further in that direction.

I was meaning the social struggle differences between AS and NT people.  I've heard people schmooze and give compliments for the sole purpose of attaining what they want...both males and females.  I can do it, that's for sure...but I have to think about it and usually only do it with females in the workplace...I've had to learn how to do it.  I don't do it very often though because it just seems like whoring yourself.

[Calandale]

... and usually only do it with females in the workplace...

I need to get a better job 

[Eclair]

Yeah, I only give sexual favours in the workplace if I like the person...not for where it can get me....dammit!

[Calandale]

Yeah, I only give sexual favours in the workplace if I like the person...not for where it can get me....dammit!

I got one of my first jobs by sleeping with my boss.

Then I made the mistake of falling for her.

[Eclair]

Yeah, I only give sexual favours in the workplace if I like the person...not for where it can get me....dammit!

I got one of my first jobs by sleeping with my boss.

Then I made the mistake of falling for her.

I would actually go so far as to say ALL my relationships have failed because I suck at manipulating.

[Calandale]

I would actually go so far as to say ALL my relationships have failed because I suck at manipulating.

Is that both with hands and mouth, or just hands?

Seriously, I can't imagine why. I would think that most guys HATE
being manipulated. Maybe I'm wrong, but even NAS's seem to have a
real gripe about this kind of stuff.

[Eclair]

I would actually go so far as to say ALL my relationships have failed because I suck at manipulating.

Is that both with hands and mouth, or just hands?

Seriously, I can't imagine why. I would think that most guys HATE
being manipulated. Maybe I'm wrong, but even NAS's seem to have a
real gripe about this kind of stuff.

Hands and mouth of course...I didn't say I sucked at sucking!

You've read my post on WP about love...that pretty much explains it all.  I also think a lot of men have been damaged by women who do manipulate and sort of go into paranoia about it.  Men do go a bit haywire when you don't get jealous, aren't interested in their money trinkets and don't use sex as a bargaining tool.   Just to name a few examples.

[Calandale]

Hands and mouth of course...I didn't say I sucked at sucking!

I'll want some proof of such a statement, of course.

You've read my post on WP about love...that pretty much explains it all.  I also think a lot of men have been damaged by women who do manipulate and sort of go into paranoia about it.  Men do go a bit haywire when you don't get jealous, aren't interested in their money trinkets and don't use sex as a bargaining tool.   Just to name a few examples.

But...but...this is exactly the kind of behavior that men are ALWAYS complaining
about. Ok, maybe the money and trinkets thing - I know most guys seem shocked
that my idea of a good gift is something that I find lying on the ground - but hell,
most guys that I've talked to are always griping about how their women tend to
get jealous or deny sex.

[Eclair]

Hands and mouth of course...I didn't say I sucked at sucking!

I'll want some proof of such a statement, of course.

You've read my post on WP about love...that pretty much explains it all.  I also think a lot of men have been damaged by women who do manipulate and sort of go into paranoia about it.  Men do go a bit haywire when you don't get jealous, aren't interested in their money trinkets and don't use sex as a bargaining tool.   Just to name a few examples.

But...but...this is exactly the kind of behavior that men are ALWAYS complaining
about. Ok, maybe the money and trinkets thing - I know most guys seem shocked
that my idea of a good gift is something that I find lying on the ground - but hell,
most guys that I've talked to are always griping about how their women tend to
get jealous or deny sex.

On the first point...as it involves 2 to 3 of my stims, I'll leave you to come to your own conclusions.

On the second point...no ego stroking and no manipulation throws a hell of a lot of men.  I can do the ego stroking to some degree, but usually it's a shit effort on my part and I often miss my cues.

[Litigious]

I would actually go so far as to say ALL my relationships have failed because I suck at manipulating.

Is that both with hands and mouth, or just hands?

Seriously, I can't imagine why. I would think that most guys HATE
being manipulated. Maybe I'm wrong, but even NAS's seem to have a
real gripe about this kind of stuff.

Hands and mouth of course...I didn't say I sucked at sucking!

You've read my post on WP about love...that pretty much explains it all.  I also think a lot of men have been damaged by women who do manipulate and sort of go into paranoia about it.  Men do go a bit haywire when you don't get jealous, aren't interested in their money trinkets and don't use sex as a bargaining tool.   Just to name a few examples.

You're right. I've screwed up many of my relationships because, based on experience, I've mistrusted them when they didn't want to take advantage of me.

[richard]

wow. 200000000000000000000 pages later