boys are better

[McGiver]

in short, it is not the women that are at fault, rather it is us.  we have trained them to act a certain way, and they have responded with what works for them.
so we can avoid the nonsense, i reposted this.

Bull. It's a combined species, and you can't lay blame on any one gender.
Most PEOPLE are assholes.

you disagree that there is such a thing as learned behaviour?

i think your post is bull, btw.

[Callaway]

can we agree that it is our fault, individually, for how we are treated by women?
afterall, if we had chosen to act a different way, we may have recieved a different response.

in short, it is not the women that are at fault, rather it is us.  we have trained them to act a certain way, and they have responded with what works for them.


maybe it is time for the male of the species to adapt.  we are being out evolved.

Yes. We should stop mating with the females. That way, their kind would die out.

We would just go to the sperm banks then.  Some of your brethren are more desperate than you.   

[McGiver]

can we agree that it is our fault, individually, for how we are treated by women?
afterall, if we had chosen to act a different way, we may have recieved a different response.

in short, it is not the women that are at fault, rather it is us.  we have trained them to act a certain way, and they have responded with what works for them.


maybe it is time for the male of the species to adapt.  we are being out evolved.

Yes. We should stop mating with the females. That way, their kind would die out.

We would just go to the sperm banks then.  Some of your brethren are more desperate than you.   

raises hand!

though i am not desperate, i just have my priorities straight.

[Lurk Hurk Gurk]

can we agree that it is our fault, individually, for how we are treated by women?
afterall, if we had chosen to act a different way, we may have recieved a different response.

Nope. No more than I'd agree that it is my fault for how I am treated by any given group or person - unless it is the case that the response comes justified as a result of unjustified behavior on my part. If you suggest - as I hope you don't - that whatever a female person would do, I would somehow have it coming because that person is female, that is beyond ridiculously stupid.

[Calandale]

in short, it is not the women that are at fault, rather it is us.  we have trained them to act a certain way, and they have responded with what works for them.
so we can avoid the nonsense, i reposted this.

Bull. It's a combined species, and you can't lay blame on any one gender.
Most PEOPLE are assholes.

you disagree that there is such a thing as learned behaviour?

i think your post is bull, btw.

What the fuck does learned behavior have to do with MY post.
The species - both genders - have learned and genetically inherited
behavior, which strongly effects what we do. It doesn't make it
MALES fault. I'm not such a misogynist to believe, as you seem to,
that all feminine behavior is taught to them by males. 

[McGiver]

in short, it is not the women that are at fault, rather it is us.  we have trained them to act a certain way, and they have responded with what works for them.
so we can avoid the nonsense, i reposted this.

Bull. It's a combined species, and you can't lay blame on any one gender.
Most PEOPLE are assholes.

you disagree that there is such a thing as learned behaviour?

i think your post is bull, btw.

What the fuck does learned behavior have to do with MY post.
The species - both genders - have learned and genetically inherited
behavior, which strongly effects what we do. It doesn't make it
MALES fault. I'm not such a misogynist to believe, as you seem to,
that all feminine behavior is taught to them by males. 

low blow.

yet i was referring to their interactions with males.

[Calandale]

low blow.

yet i was referring to their interactions with males.

I KNOW. It's still a mutual thing. Nature and millions of
years of human society combine for the way people are.
It's not something that can be pointed to as a fault of
one gender. It's humanities problem (if it is a problem
at all).

As to the 'low blow,' I tried to say this nicely, and you
missed the point. Sometimes it seems that the ONLY
way to get you to understand is to club you with something
that hurts.

[zer0]

I merely pointed out what you said. Do you deny it?

Tell me, since I got you so wrong, what do you really think about women? Who are you, really?

I am the lizard king.

I can do anything.

[McGiver]

low blow.

yet i was referring to their interactions with males.

I KNOW. It's still a mutual thing. Nature and millions of
years of human society combine for the way people are.
It's not something that can be pointed to as a fault of
one gender. It's humanities problem (if it is a problem
at all).

As to the 'low blow,' I tried to say this nicely, and you
missed the point. Sometimes it seems that the ONLY
way to get you to understand is to club you with something
that hurts.

sometimes, if you would stop writing in riddles, then you wouldn't have to club people to understand .

you actually agree with my point.

i was simply addressing the point that women are conniving an manipulative bitches, as others have stated so eloquantly. 
how do women train men?
what, primarily do men what from women in their interactions with each other?

[Calandale]

sometimes, if you would stop writing in riddles, then you wouldn't have to club people to understand .

Sometimes, I suspect that we are both thinking so completely differently
that we simply cannot understand one another.

i was simply addressing the point that women are conniving an manipulative bitches, as others have stated so eloquantly. 
how do women train men?
what, primarily do men what from women in their interactions with each other?

I'm not accepting of point 1. It hasn't been my experience at all.

The questions? PEOPLE train one another through mutual interactions
reinforcement of various varieties. What do men want (I'm assuming -
sorry, sometimes the typos confuse the shit out of me, it took me
a couple of minutes to even figure out what you were saying because
of it)? Hell, how should I know? I want a companion, or at least
a lack of confrontation. I get the feeling that you're implying that men
always want sex from women; and I'm pretty damned sure that
this is not the case. Most of the time, I want just what I want from
other men.

[McGiver]

let me rephrase the question?

in the early stages of male/female interactions, and after the differences have been noted by the opposing sexes; what do men want from women?

what do women want from men?

how do we train each other in these initial, formative, interactions with one another.






also, i am expecting you to answer from generalizations.  i am sure that there are exceptions to everything.  but on the whole, i think that generalizations will help here.

[Calandale]

In those early stages, they want to avoid getting cooties
from one another.

A little later, yeah, sex is on the mind. At least it was
all there was for me - but I had little interaction - by
the time that I started actually DEALING with females,
it was debate and playing cards which were more on
my mind, at least for the ones that I could be around;
but I can't really tell about others - I suspect it wasn't the
ONLY thing; From my interactions with teenage (NAS mainly)
boys, on another forum, there seems to be a significant mix:
some just want sex, others want more friendships - and almost
all have female friends that they have NO sexual desires for at all.
This pretty much fits in with my own experiences - and other than
raging hormones, is pretty much how I feel still.

What do these teenage girls want from boys? Damned if I know.
Women seem to want a similar mix to what men do though, probably
with a bit less hormonal power.

Additionally though, there's this whole 'status' issue, both then and to
a lesser extent, later. And this may actually be more important then
any of the other ones.


EDIT: I'm not at all sure what you're trying to get out of this though.

[McGiver]

i suspect that the more evolved female teen wants companionship.  something that men don't really learn until their labido begins to wan.

[Calandale]

i suspect that the more evolved female teen wants companionship.  something that men don't really learn until their labido begins to wan.

Bull. Males want it too. They just might
want a bit of sex more - and I would suggest
that even that is only the case with those females
that they find attractive.

Like I mentioned, I have a reasonable amount
of contact with a fair number of adolescent boys
over the net, and there are only a couple with
such extreme positions as you seem to attribute
to the vast majority.

[McGiver]

women they find attractive-hmmm.  i wonder why attractiveness is so important when all one wants is companionship.

and.  shall we take a poll in the real world about what teenage boys, mostly, are really after?