The criminal parts of the Koran

[McGiver]

why do the poor and weak of mind tend to practice a religion more than any other?

[Scrapheap]

why do the poor and weak of mind tend to practice a religion more than any other?

You're forgetting about the rich who buy their way into heaven. There's churches every 500 yards where I live.

[Leto729]

why do the poor and weak of mind tend to practice a religion more than any other?

I have searched for what I believe in Mind, Body, and Spirit.

[McGiver]

why do the poor and weak of mind tend to practice a religion more than any other?

You're forgetting about the rich who buy their way into heaven. There's churches every 500 yards where I live.

you live in a rich neighbourhood?

churches in america are mostly tax scams.


the word i was looking for is HOPE.  meant to satisfy a normally mundane existance.

[odeon]

What has deluded you into thinkiing I'm putting forth a christian based argument??

I don't think so. I changed your comment to show that the argument stays the same regardless of the target.

[odeon]

I do not want to kill people,

I want to see Muslims stop believing in believing the sharia must be the law of the land, that the muslim world must wage jihad against the non-Muslims until Islam is the only religion, stop treating women like property that includes putting women under the veil, stop treating non-Muslims like they are inferior, stop doing female 'circumcision;'.

I want to see all Muslims accept western ideals which everybody else accepts like secular law and human rights (like treating women not as property or non-Muslims like they are inferior).

You need to actually read the Koran, TJ. Or at least a page such as the one I linked to for Thagomizer, and realize that Islam does not equal war against non-believers.

You also need to answer my question, since you do want a modern crusade: What do you propose to do to the Muslims that won't readily accept your "Western ideals" and denounce their religion? C'mon, don't be shy. Tell us.

[Teejay]

You need to actually read the Koran, TJ. Or at least a page such as the one I linked to for Thagomizer, and realize that Islam does not equal war against non-believers.

You also need to answer my question, since you do want a modern crusade: What do you propose to do to the Muslims that won't readily accept your "Western ideals" and denounce their religion? C'mon, don't be shy. Tell us.

I will get myself a copy of Koran asap and have a read through it, however I am going to confirm what already I believe. Compared to Jesus, Buddha, Zoroaster, Confucius and even Moses and Abraham. The character of Mohammad described in the Koran and other texts sets a very bad moral example, he was a rapist, pedophile, stole (by raiding caravans), dishonored treaties he made. By the standards of the 7th century, that was nothing unusual for a military leader, however Mohammad is supposed to be model Muslim.

The worst the character of Jesus Christ did, was probably marry an ex-prostitute (it is alluded to in the Gospels).

Islam is also seriously weaken by fact it started out as a ruling religion (Mohammad was a war leader and legislator as well as prophet), which was spread through conquest. Islam is not just a religion, it is a totalising ideology with a blueprint for government and social
organization, rather similar to Communism.

That kind of explain why Muslim fundamentalists are a lot worse than the Christian variety. If you watch the documentary Jesus Camp that describes the worst Christian Fundamentalists can do these days. I am not afraid of Christian Fundamentalists and willing to see them as potential allies. However I am very afraid of Muslim Fundamentalists.

[Calandale]

There should be no compulsion in religion, Christian or otherwise. What you are advocating are new crusades, TJ, whether you realize it or not. I'm glad you belong to a minority.

I am advocating a new crusade so that western civilization and what we have achieved can continue to exist.

Crusades (and the like) are the sign of an immature stage in
a religion's cycle.

[Calandale]

I am not a religious person, I am a secular humanist who opposed to ideologies which threaten to destroy Liberal Democracy, Free Market Capitalism, Rationalism and Science.

Don't you see that your secular humanism is effectively a faith of its own?

[Calandale]

why do the poor and weak of mind tend to practice a religion more than any other?

I disagree. They tend to blindly follow, rather than get
caught up in the true issues of the religion. Just as
with our current infatuation with technology. The
masses just seem to have faith, without understanding,
that it is good.

[odeon]

I will get myself a copy of Koran asap and have a read through it, however I am going to confirm what already I believe. Compared to Jesus, Buddha, Zoroaster, Confucius and even Moses and Abraham. The character of Mohammad described in the Koran and other texts sets a very bad moral example, he was a rapist, pedophile, stole (by raiding caravans), dishonored treaties he made. By the standards of the 7th century, that was nothing unusual for a military leader, however Mohammad is supposed to be model Muslim.

I'm so glad you decided to keep an open mind...

[Thagomizer]

why do the poor and weak of mind tend to practice a religion more than any other?

Hear that everyone? McTwunt has just proven that Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Blaise Pascal, Decartes, Tolkien, Lewis, Luther, Calvin, Dante, Madeline L'Engle, Isaac Newton, Sir Richard Owen, Edward Drinker Cope, Georges Cuvier, Robert T. Bakker, T. S. Eliot, Milton, Bach, Michelangelo, Bonaventura, Scotus, Berkeley, Copernicus, Galileo, Kelper, Newman, Pasteur, Kierkagaard, Chesteron, Tolstoy, Dickens, Dostoyevsky, Mendel, and Solzhenitsyn were all poor and weak of mind.

 

[Thagomizer]

I've just read an pdf copy  Robert Spencer's - The Politically Incorrect Guide To Islam I downloaded on emule. It throughly recommend the book, it basically agrees with everything Thagomizer has been saying and might I add that groups like Al Qaeda aren't on the fringes of the Muslim world, their ideas of waging war against the disbelievers, until Islam is the sole religion of the world has a long and 'honorable' tradition in Islam.

This book was one of the main sources I used, and it is indeed compelling. While I am still bothered by many aspects of the Islamic faith, it also occured to me that I would do well to read other sources on Islam--for as well as against--before believing that I truly knew what I was talking about.

[Scrapheap]

why do the poor and weak of mind tend to practice a religion more than any other?

Hear that everyone? McTwunt has just proven that Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Blaise Pascal, Decartes, Tolkien, Lewis, Luther, Calvin, Dante, Madeline L'Engle, Isaac Newton, Sir Richard Owen, Edward Drinker Cope, Georges Cuvier, Robert T. Bakker, T. S. Eliot, Milton, Bach, Michelangelo, Bonaventura, Scotus, Berkeley, Copernicus, Galileo, Kelper, Newman, Pasteur, Kierkagaard, Chesteron, Tolstoy, Dickens, Dostoyevsky, Mendel, and Solzhenitsyn were all poor and weak of mind.

 

This is an "Appeal to Athority" argument. A well known fallicy of logic.

[Calandale]

why do the poor and weak of mind tend to practice a religion more than any other?

Hear that everyone? McTwunt has just proven that Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Blaise Pascal, Decartes, Tolkien, Lewis, Luther, Calvin, Dante, Madeline L'Engle, Isaac Newton, Sir Richard Owen, Edward Drinker Cope, Georges Cuvier, Robert T. Bakker, T. S. Eliot, Milton, Bach, Michelangelo, Bonaventura, Scotus, Berkeley, Copernicus, Galileo, Kelper, Newman, Pasteur, Kierkagaard, Chesteron, Tolstoy, Dickens, Dostoyevsky, Mendel, and Solzhenitsyn were all poor and weak of mind.

 

This is an "Appeal to Athority" argument. A well known fallicy of logic.

Ceratinly isn't. McJ's statement was that the religious are the weakest minds,
and Thag was simply pointing a list of those whom he considers less than weak.

Just naming names does not make an appeal to athority.