I quit

[FourAceDeal]

The virus also keeps mutating. I can't remember which article I read (although it was from a credible source) but it has mutated in a way that makes it more contagious than it was previously.

Ontario (Canada) has started Phase 1 of a three step plan to re-open the economy. They opened up parks so people could get outside but stressed social distancing. Apparently the 10k people in Trinity Bellwoods Park in Toronto didn't get the memo. People were packed in there. So now we have a spike from Mothers Day and since last weekend was a holiday weekend, we'll have another spike in about a week. People are exhausted and they're choosing not to follow the guidelines now. We'll be fucked before the fall hits.

It was found to be more contagious than first thought, but was that a mutation or a change in data quality?  It's not like China was handing out real numbers, so statistics changed as more reliable data was added to the mix.

[Phoenix]

The virus also keeps mutating. I can't remember which article I read (although it was from a credible source) but it has mutated in a way that makes it more contagious than it was previously.

Ontario (Canada) has started Phase 1 of a three step plan to re-open the economy. They opened up parks so people could get outside but stressed social distancing. Apparently the 10k people in Trinity Bellwoods Park in Toronto didn't get the memo. People were packed in there. So now we have a spike from Mothers Day and since last weekend was a holiday weekend, we'll have another spike in about a week. People are exhausted and they're choosing not to follow the guidelines now. We'll be fucked before the fall hits.

It was found to be more contagious than first thought, but was that a mutation or a change in data quality?  It's not like China was handing out real numbers, so statistics changed as more reliable data was added to the mix.

That's also very true.

We need a good vaccine. Not like the flu vaccine which is about 40% effective in a good year. Or we need a very effective treatment. The alternatives don't bear thinking about. None of us can afford further lockdowns either.

We do. I can't do anything outside of my property that would even come close to resembling my old life until we have one that works and is well circulated.

[rock hound]

And the second wave is starting and growing in the US.   

[odeon]

So it looks like the herd immunity approach in Sweden didn't work out so well:

https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Sweden-herd-immunity-experiment-backfires-covid-15289437.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Desktop)&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&fbclid=IwAR2SIuMa_zpqegeip3e23rjA0x45tfVlDfQpwOFCZS7VluI1UTU9TAvCA5o

Their strategy wasn't herd immunity as such but to do what most other countries did but without enforcing lockdown.

[odeon]

The virus also keeps mutating. I can't remember which article I read (although it was from a credible source) but it has mutated in a way that makes it more contagious than it was previously.

All viruses mutate. This one has done it a lot - it's how scientists are able to trace its origins.

[odeon]

We need a good vaccine. Not like the flu vaccine which is about 40% effective in a good year. Or we need a very effective treatment. The alternatives don't bear thinking about. None of us can afford further lockdowns either.

Yup. Fingers crossed.

With the dozens of vaccine trials underway, hopefully some will work well enough.

[DirtDawg]

The virus also keeps mutating. I can't remember which article I read (although it was from a credible source) but it has mutated in a way that makes it more contagious than it was previously.

All viruses mutate. This one has done it a lot - it's how scientists are able to trace its origins.

Mutating so (in the same way that many other biohazards do) has allowed the scientists to identify "strains" within this strain, based upon how each infection affects the host or hostZZ.
Lots of study! Follow and document each case. Lots and lots of data to sift through!

Makes me think of the old Knack song,  "My, My, My  ...  M-m-m-MY Corona!!"

[DirtDawg]

So it looks like the herd immunity approach in Sweden didn't work out so well:

https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Sweden-herd-immunity-experiment-backfires-covid-15289437.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Desktop)&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&fbclid=IwAR2SIuMa_zpqegeip3e23rjA0x45tfVlDfQpwOFCZS7VluI1UTU9TAvCA5o

Their strategy wasn't herd immunity as such but to do what most other countries did but without enforcing lockdown.

... and your country seems to have a large percentage of cooperative populace.

Kind of a nice thing to see. Reminds me of traveling in Canada and being amazed at how clean the trains were and feeling shame for my own county and how so many mistreat treasures like state funded transportation.

I (enjoy?) hate to see these redneck assholes who get on national television here in the states, wearing a wife-beater and carrying a long gun on a sling, shouting shit like, "I live in a FREE country and you can't tell ME I have to wear a mask!"
Too many of those, here. We HAD to close some just because of assholes like those guys.

Someone should remind these guys that 1776 already happened.

[Phoenix]

The virus also keeps mutating. I can't remember which article I read (although it was from a credible source) but it has mutated in a way that makes it more contagious than it was previously.

All viruses mutate. This one has done it a lot - it's how scientists are able to trace its origins.

No they don't. Viruses that are DNA encoded hardly change at all. But viruses that are RNA encoded do

[Minister Of Silly Walks]

The virus also keeps mutating. I can't remember which article I read (although it was from a credible source) but it has mutated in a way that makes it more contagious than it was previously.

All viruses mutate. This one has done it a lot - it's how scientists are able to trace its origins.

No they don't. Viruses that are DNA encoded hardly change at all. But viruses that are RNA encoded do

Coronaviruses are RNA viruses, HPV is a DNA virus.

DNA is more stable, which is why humans don't mutate that much. Apart from superheroes, obviously. And mutant supervillains.

[odeon]

So it looks like the herd immunity approach in Sweden didn't work out so well:

https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Sweden-herd-immunity-experiment-backfires-covid-15289437.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Desktop)&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&fbclid=IwAR2SIuMa_zpqegeip3e23rjA0x45tfVlDfQpwOFCZS7VluI1UTU9TAvCA5o

Their strategy wasn't herd immunity as such but to do what most other countries did but without enforcing lockdown.

... and your country seems to have a large percentage of cooperative populace.

Kind of a nice thing to see. Reminds me of traveling in Canada and being amazed at how clean the trains were and feeling shame for my own county and how so many mistreat treasures like state funded transportation.

I (enjoy?) hate to see these redneck assholes who get on national television here in the states, wearing a wife-beater and carrying a long gun on a sling, shouting shit like, "I live in a FREE country and you can't tell ME I have to wear a mask!"
Too many of those, here. We HAD to close some just because of assholes like those guys.

Someone should remind these guys that 1776 already happened.

The Swedish are a cooperative bunch so I can see why they reasoned the way they did. But they failed utterly on protecting the elderly, and they never realised not everyone living here as that cooperative mindset.

As a result, our neighbouring countries are slowly opening up and resuming business while we are in the same limbo as the last several months. And guess what? Swedes are banned from entering Finland, Norway, and Denmark when they open their borders.

[odeon]

The virus also keeps mutating. I can't remember which article I read (although it was from a credible source) but it has mutated in a way that makes it more contagious than it was previously.

All viruses mutate. This one has done it a lot - it's how scientists are able to trace its origins.

No they don't. Viruses that are DNA encoded hardly change at all. But viruses that are RNA encoded do

Yes and no. DNA viruses mutate far less often since they have proofreading capabilities. RNA viruses don't have those, afaik, and so RNA virus mutation rates are a lot faster. But both kinds do mutate.

[DirtDawg]

So it looks like the herd immunity approach in Sweden didn't work out so well:

https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Sweden-herd-immunity-experiment-backfires-covid-15289437.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Desktop)&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&fbclid=IwAR2SIuMa_zpqegeip3e23rjA0x45tfVlDfQpwOFCZS7VluI1UTU9TAvCA5o

Their strategy wasn't herd immunity as such but to do what most other countries did but without enforcing lockdown.

... and your country seems to have a large percentage of cooperative populace.

Kind of a nice thing to see. Reminds me of traveling in Canada and being amazed at how clean the trains were and feeling shame for my own county and how so many mistreat treasures like state funded transportation.

I (enjoy?) hate to see these redneck assholes who get on national television here in the states, wearing a wife-beater and carrying a long gun on a sling, shouting shit like, "I live in a FREE country and you can't tell ME I have to wear a mask!"
Too many of those, here. We HAD to close some just because of assholes like those guys.

Someone should remind these guys that 1776 already happened.

The Swedish are a cooperative bunch so I can see why they reasoned the way they did. But they failed utterly on protecting the elderly, and they never realised not everyone living here as that cooperative mindset.

As a result, our neighbouring countries are slowly opening up and resuming business while we are in the same limbo as the last several months. And guess what? Swedes are banned from entering Finland, Norway, and Denmark when they open their borders.

This country is preparing to drop the hammer on a ban of travel from Brazil. But, it's not just Brazil. Even if you have been to Brazil in the past two weeks, you will not be allowed in without a quarantine period.

[Phoenix]

So it looks like the herd immunity approach in Sweden didn't work out so well:

https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Sweden-herd-immunity-experiment-backfires-covid-15289437.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Desktop)&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&fbclid=IwAR2SIuMa_zpqegeip3e23rjA0x45tfVlDfQpwOFCZS7VluI1UTU9TAvCA5o

Their strategy wasn't herd immunity as such but to do what most other countries did but without enforcing lockdown.

... and your country seems to have a large percentage of cooperative populace.

Kind of a nice thing to see. Reminds me of traveling in Canada and being amazed at how clean the trains were and feeling shame for my own county and how so many mistreat treasures like state funded transportation.

I (enjoy?) hate to see these redneck assholes who get on national television here in the states, wearing a wife-beater and carrying a long gun on a sling, shouting shit like, "I live in a FREE country and you can't tell ME I have to wear a mask!"
Too many of those, here. We HAD to close some just because of assholes like those guys.

Someone should remind these guys that 1776 already happened.

The Swedish are a cooperative bunch so I can see why they reasoned the way they did. But they failed utterly on protecting the elderly, and they never realised not everyone living here as that cooperative mindset.

As a result, our neighbouring countries are slowly opening up and resuming business while we are in the same limbo as the last several months. And guess what? Swedes are banned from entering Finland, Norway, and Denmark when they open their borders.

This country is preparing to drop the hammer on a ban of travel from Brazil. But, it's not just Brazil. Even if you have been to Brazil in the past two weeks, you will not be allowed in without a quarantine period.

Why the ban from Brazil? I hadn't heard that one yet. In Canada, if you came back from anywhere (before they closed the borders) you had to quarantine for 2 weeks no matter where you traveled in from. The border is remaining closed for another month and then they'll reevaluate.

[Pyraxis]

Brazil is the only place in worse shape than the USA right now. They're probably pointing fingers.