Food for thought.

[rock hound]

I wanted to start a thread for some serious discussion about the following article and felt it deserved one.  What do you think?    or not!     I just ask that personal jabs be kept to a minimum......if possible! 

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/08/embark-essay-aggression-internet-twitter-human-nature/

[Al Swearegen]

I tend to be similar to what I am online. There are some differences. I am not likely to express myself in a way that is likely to expose myself to harm. (ie I may risk a ban on a website which affects me little, for saying something terrible but in meatspace that same thing may get me fired, so I would tone it down in meatspace). BUT I am absolutely the guy that will growl at people for being arseholes. Take a full trolley load in the 12 items or less in the shops I will give you an ear full. Take or play with your mobile during a movie I will have a go. Try to bully, intimidate or get one over me in meatspace and I will give it back. Sarcasm and such will be met with the same.

It is really just a degree thing I think, for me.

But I have encountered Telephone tough guys and Internet Warriors before. They quite often do not back their rhetoric face to face.

[rock hound]

This article just got me thinking about our present situation with mdagli1 and also past forums that I belonged to.  I just thought it would make an interesting discussion and which way will it go.  I tend to be a reflective person and it takes a lot to get my blood roiling to the point I flat out get in people's faces irl.  But, I do tend to try to follow the path of least resistance and ignore shit if I decide it's not worth the energy to engage.  I do try to treat people with respect and kindness, unless otherwise shown that being a waste of time.  Then it's ignore and discard and walk away for me.  My temper does get the better of me from time to time.  And I have to focus on some the Buddhist practices that I am trying incorporate in my own life to get myself in balance again.  It's a struggle.

[DirtDawg]

I tend to be similar to what I am online. There are some differences. I am not likely to express myself in a way that is likely to expose myself to harm. (ie I may risk a ban on a website which affects me little, for saying something terrible but in meatspace that same thing may get me fired, so I would tone it down in meatspace). BUT I am absolutely the guy that will growl at people for being arseholes. Take a full trolley load in the 12 items or less in the shops I will give you an ear full. Take or play with your mobile during a movie I will have a go. Try to bully, intimidate or get one over me in meatspace and I will give it back. Sarcasm and such will be met with the same.

It is really just a degree thing I think, for me.

But I have encountered Telephone tough guys and Internet Warriors before. They quite often do not back their rhetoric face to face.

I like how you call "TeH Real World" meatspace.

Disturbs me somewhat since, apart from many that I have lately worked among, I consider meat as something I would crave to eat. I do recognize that many forms of lesser meats can be improved by grinding them down and adding various inclusions to hopefully boost the end result to something more palatable.

Metaphors over for right now.

[DirtDawg]

This article just got me thinking about our present situation with mdagli1 and also past forums that I belonged to.  I just thought it would make an interesting discussion and which way will it go.  I tend to be a reflective person and it takes a lot to get my blood roiling to the point I flat out get in people's faces irl.  But, I do tend to try to follow the path of least resistance and ignore shit if I decide it's not worth the energy to engage.  I do try to treat people with respect and kindness, unless otherwise shown that being a waste of time.  Then it's ignore and discard and walk away for me.  My temper does get the better of me from time to time.  And I have to focus on some the Buddhist practices that I am trying incorporate in my own life to get myself in balance again.  It's a struggle.

Honestly, I have the same interest in this thought exercise.

A difference between you and I is that I can certainly ignore some jerks in an effort to choose my battles carefully, but I can rarely ever just let go something that trips past a certain level of perceived encroachment.

I do try to treat all people with respect and I am not trying to talk myself into a kind of kinship, that I feel already exists. But. it's a struggle, sometimes.

[Icequeen]

I think life is hard enough for most people, and it's not my job to make it harder.

I also don't think it's my job to correct an asshole in the wild for being an asshole either. Everyone over the age of 12 and not mentally impaired is usually capable of making the right choices. I normally figure...A. They have a good reason for their behavior, or B. They enjoy their behavior...either way unless they make it personal...I normally have no problem with ignoring them and moving on. (That doesn't mean that I will be a bystander to verbal and physical abuse though.)

Occasionally in life you ignore people and they are still intent on ramming their agenda down your throat and being as generally annoying as a fly at a cookout.   

Unfortunately, I'm human. I try my best, because I believe we all get what we give in life...to some extent. But when the shit flies towards me and dodging it is no longer an option, I will throw back.

[rock hound]

I think life is hard enough for most people, and it's not my job to make it harder.

I also don't think it's my job to correct an asshole in the wild for being an asshole either. Everyone over the age of 12 and not mentally impaired is usually capable of making the right choices. I normally figure...A. They have a good reason for their behavior, or B. They enjoy their behavior...either way unless they make it personal...I normally have no problem with ignoring them and moving on. (That doesn't mean that I will be a bystander to verbal and physical abuse though.)

Occasionally in life you ignore people and they are still intent on ramming their agenda down your throat and being as generally annoying as a fly at a cookout.   

Unfortunately, I'm human. I try my best, because I believe we all get what we give in life...to some extent. But when the shit flies towards me and dodging it is no longer an option, I will throw back.

Agreed!   

[jedicounsellor]

I think the article is well researched. I particularly liked the passage: "If the antagonizers on social media face no repercussions, that encourages the growth of aggression, incivility, and just plain meanness." There seem to many of these aggressive personalities online, and that actually frustrates me. Sometimes I ridicule trolls for their incivility, or simplicity, but generally I aim to educate them with meanness, mainly because it's the only way I can reciprocate the same treatment they're dishing out. Sometimes it works, and they become more civil, and I will continue interacting with them; other times I receive a ban for my own behavior. The banning isn't so bad, as long as it's temporary. I haven't received a permanent ban for my words or actions... yet. 

[Minister Of Silly Walks]

Some people, I guess, are simply arseholes and only act civil in meatspace due to wanting to avoid complications and repercussions.

And on social media their true character presents itself.

There is also the fact that if you just make calm and sensible remarks on social media you tend to be largely ignored.

[Tom/Mutate]

I like how you call "TeH Real World" meatspace.

I read Cory Doctorow call it that years ago. But i've only ever seen 2 people online use it.

[Jack]

I like how you call "TeH Real World" meatspace.

I read Cory Doctorow call it that years ago. But i've only ever seen 2 people online use it.

Picked it up here. Have seen it used by a few people here over the years.

[rock hound]

People want to judge me....thats ok...they can go fuck themselves!       

[Yuri Bezmenov]

I wanted to start a thread for some serious discussion about the following article and felt it deserved one.  What do you think?    or not!     I just ask that personal jabs be kept to a minimum......if possible! 

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/08/embark-essay-aggression-internet-twitter-human-nature/

The main thing that they leave out of this article is how the social media giants use algorithms to actually encourage bad behavior and nastiness.

Twitter early on discovered that the #1 re-tweeted emotion is anger/outrage so they tweaked the software to encourage that.

Facebook does similar things. Social media is cancer IMO.

[rock hound]

I wanted to start a thread for some serious discussion about the following article and felt it deserved one.  What do you think?    or not!     I just ask that personal jabs be kept to a minimum......if possible! 

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/08/embark-essay-aggression-internet-twitter-human-nature/

The main thing that they leave out of this article is how the social media giants use algorithms to actually encourage bad behavior and nastiness.

Twitter early on discovered that the #1 re-tweeted emotion is anger/outrage so they tweaked the software to encourage that.

Facebook does similar things. Social media is cancer IMO.

Controversy is king!  Controversy makes profits!

[Al Swearegen]

People want to judge me....thats ok...they can go fuck themselves!       

Dead right!