The Tragedy in Las Vegas

[odeon]

58 dead, 500 hurt. The rest of the world has connected the dots, when will the US?

[Queen Victoria]

Well that's what you get for having a well regulated militia.     

[Yuri Bezmenov]

58 dead, 500 hurt. The rest of the world has connected the dots, when will the US?

You don't speak on behalf of the rest of the world.   

[odeon]

58 dead, 500 hurt. The rest of the world has connected the dots, when will the US?

You don't speak on behalf of the rest of the world.   

But you do for the US? Guessing there are people in Las Vegas and elsewhere that would disagree.

[Al Swearegen]

58 dead, 500 hurt. The rest of the world has connected the dots, when will the US?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/14/nice-bastille-day-france-attack-promenade-des-anglais-vehicle

Didn't this legal vehicle kill 84? Should ban vehicles.

[Yuri Bezmenov]

58 dead, 500 hurt. The rest of the world has connected the dots, when will the US?

You don't speak on behalf of the rest of the world.   

But you do for the US? Guessing there are people in Las Vegas and elsewhere that would disagree.

I'm not trying to, you are. You're both deflecting and projecting. God you're fucking dense.

[Al Swearegen]

It sounded like it was a fully automatic weapon aren't they currently "controlled" and not sold anymore? So would "controlling the weapon that he used or any other weapon have made ANY difference to him having used the weapon?

These are serious questions.

[Icequeen]

I don't know.

I'm on the fence anymore. I used to think people had enough common sense to decide. Then I see people like a woman I know with a permit to carry with her hand on the gun in her purse every time she encounters a strange man. She is honestly terrified of being raped, she's never been raped...and I'll be blunt...no one sane wants a piece of that...there is no past trama...she's just a very, very paranoid nutcase. I question whether she should own knives let alone have a permit to carry.

The older I get the more I'm around people, the more I'm around them the more I see how stupid some truly are.

My big question...they are reporting now that they found 42 guns in the motel room...10 of them rifles. How the fuck did he get them in??? The motels I've stayed at you were lucky if you could sneak in a coffee pot and you had to lock up any loose change or towels brought from home or they disappeared at cleaning time.

They can find $2.00 in quarters and a coffee pot, but not one cleaning person saw anything...are they fucking blind?? They definitely aren't cleaning under that bed.

[Icequeen]

As for the automatic....some are very easily modified.

[Al Swearegen]

As for the automatic....some are very easily modified.

Are they legal to own and are they legal to buy? I am not sure whether or not they are legal to own BUT in terms of restricting the ability to purchase one, my understanding is that they ARE restricted and not available for purchase and that "gun control" is, therefore, a moot point as "restricting it via gun control" would not have made a difference if it is ALREADY not available for purchase. I MAY be wrong.

[Yuri Bezmenov]

It sounded like it was a fully automatic weapon aren't they currently "controlled" and not sold anymore?

You need to get a class 3 firearms license from the Fed government. The number of permits was frozen a couple of decades ago so in order to get one, you have to have one given to you from a previous license holder. The background check to qualify for one is the same as getting a top secret security clearance.

So would "controlling the weapon that he used or any other weapon have made ANY difference to him having used the weapon?

These are serious questions.

No. Either he modified the AR-15's that he had to be full auto or he used one of many trigger manipulating devices which mimic automatic fire.

[Yuri Bezmenov]

As for the automatic....some are very easily modified.

That's somewhat of a myth.

They can be modified but it takes a competent gunsmith to do it.

[Icequeen]

As for the automatic....some are very easily modified.

That's somewhat of a myth.

They can be modified but it takes a competent gunsmith to do it.

Not technically "fully automatic" (bump firing) but changing the stock on something like an AR-15 is easy enough and legal.

400 to 800 rounds a minute.

[Icequeen]

Just read another news clip...apparently that's exactly what he used.

http://www.tmz.com/2017/10/03/las-vegas-shooter-massacre-ar-15-rifle-guns/

[Yuri Bezmenov]

Just read another news clip...apparently that's exactly what he used.

http://www.tmz.com/2017/10/03/las-vegas-shooter-massacre-ar-15-rifle-guns/

Yeah, I saw that too.

Technically it's still a semi-auto though because it only fires 1 round for each pull of the trigger, it simply manipulates the trigger mechanically (perfectly legal).