Nothing worth mentioning is happening in Orlando Florida.

[DirtDawg]

A couple of interesting things to think about:

http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/18/the-obama-administration-stopped-processing-iraq-refugee-requests-for-6-months-in-2011/

http://www.wsj.com/articles/house-votes-to-tighten-visa-waiver-program-1449613891

The threat has been identified in the past; why not now?

[odeon]

The comparison with the Paris attacks is an odd one--that one was a well-planned attack, carried out by a terror organisation cell. The Orlando attack was the act of a loner, a US citizen who bought the weapon legally, no questions asked, in spite of having been previously questioned by the FBI.

Of course it's a gun problem.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-remarks-gun-control-hauntingly-000000581.html

[FourAceDeal]

I'm wasting no more time discussing it.  From now on I'll see it as a particularly sad form of Darwinism.

[Al Swearegen]

The comparison with the Paris attacks is an odd one--that one was a well-planned attack, carried out by a terror organisation cell. The Orlando attack was the act of a loner, a US citizen who bought the weapon legally, no questions asked, in spite of having been previously questioned by the FBI.

Of course it's a gun problem.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-remarks-gun-control-hauntingly-000000581.html

It was from a radicalised Muslim man on behalf of ISIS (that is that he did this based on what he thought would please them and they were so pleased and took credit for it).

BUT he used a gun. So what?

Paris http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34818994

Brussels https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Brussels_bombings

Rotherham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

Cologne http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3408033/Muslim-cleric-says-Cologne-sex-attacks-victims-fault-wore-PERFUME.html

Cause and effect. Ascribing the wrong cause is almost as harmful as excusing it

Like this bloke https://www.rt.com/news/338779-somalian-refugee-raped-politician/

Just a gun problem. No. It is an ideological problem. It is NOT a gun problem or a toxic masculinity problem as some Feminists were happier labeling it. It is a problem with radicalised Muslims committing terrorist actions on behalf of a horrible ideology.

End of.

Now Hillary Clinton believes that increasing 500% the amount of Syrian Muslims immigrants into America is a great idea. Trump thinks placing a freeze on immigration of Muslims and folks from Muslim dominant countries is the way to go.

I think Trump is being rational but I don't think his immigration policy would be easily implemented or adhered to. It is something though.

Of course one could say, "Why are they displaced from their country in the first place and as a result of who's actions? Surely not the countries they are immigrating to? If they are immigrating there are they likely to be happy with the host country or not? But that is an entirely different point.

[odeon]

The Orlando shooter was a nutjob. Yes, ISIS took credit, understandably, but their actual involvement is questionable. It is as likely that he was a homophobic and/or in the proverbial closet, considering that he was known in there.

The fact is that this nutjob, as so many other nutjobs on shooting sprees in the US, could legally obtain their weapons. How many of these tragedies could have been avoided simply by making them just a tiny little bit harder to obtain?

The number homicides per 100,000 population in France in 2012 was 0.21. It was 3.43 in the US in 2014. Of course it's a gun problem.

[Yuri Bezmenov]

The fact is that this nutjob, as so many other nutjobs on shooting sprees in the US, could legally obtain their weapons. How many of these tragedies could have been avoided simply by making them just a tiny little bit harder to obtain?

Probably the same number who couldn't get alcohol as a result of prohibition in the 1920's. AFAIK that number was a grand total of 0 people.

The number homicides per 100,000 population in France in 2012 was 0.21. It was 3.43 in the US in 2014. Of course it's a nigger problem.

Fixed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide

[FourAceDeal]

The Orlando shooter was a nutjob. Yes, ISIS took credit, understandably, but their actual involvement is questionable. It is as likely that he was a homophobic and/or in the proverbial closet, considering that he was known in there.

The fact is that this nutjob, as so many other nutjobs on shooting sprees in the US, could legally obtain their weapons. How many of these tragedies could have been avoided simply by making them just a tiny little bit harder to obtain?

The number homicides per 100,000 population in France in 2012 was 0.21. It was 3.43 in the US in 2014. Of course it's a gun problem.

Leave them to it.  They're not worth the breathe you expend typing a retort.  Darwinism.  Simple as.

[Al Swearegen]

The Orlando shooter was a nutjob. Yes, ISIS took credit, understandably, but their actual involvement is questionable. It is as likely that he was a homophobic and/or in the proverbial closet, considering that he was known in there.

The fact is that this nutjob, as so many other nutjobs on shooting sprees in the US, could legally obtain their weapons. How many of these tragedies could have been avoided simply by making them just a tiny little bit harder to obtain?

The number homicides per 100,000 population in France in 2012 was 0.21. It was 3.43 in the US in 2014. Of course it's a gun problem.

Except of course for the fact that he was radicalised through Abu Taubah and the radicalised teachings of this Iman. That combined with his visits to Afghanistan, and pledging his allegiance to ISIS.

But guns and nutjob work well too. He was a crazy homophobe with access to guns. Let's not think too hard on it.

[Al Swearegen]

The Orlando shooter was a nutjob. Yes, ISIS took credit, understandably, but their actual involvement is questionable. It is as likely that he was a homophobic and/or in the proverbial closet, considering that he was known in there.

The fact is that this nutjob, as so many other nutjobs on shooting sprees in the US, could legally obtain their weapons. How many of these tragedies could have been avoided simply by making them just a tiny little bit harder to obtain?

The number homicides per 100,000 population in France in 2012 was 0.21. It was 3.43 in the US in 2014. Of course it's a gun problem.

Leave them to it.  They're not worth the breathe you expend typing a retort.  Darwinism.  Simple as.

Leave who to what exactly? Rather than sniping, how about having enough confidence in your own opinions and values to challenge them? Would your ego survive that?

[MLA]

The Orlando shooter was a nutjob. Yes, ISIS took credit, understandably, but their actual involvement is questionable. It is as likely that he was a homophobic and/or in the proverbial closet, considering that he was known in there.

The fact is that this nutjob, as so many other nutjobs on shooting sprees in the US, could legally obtain their weapons. How many of these tragedies could have been avoided simply by making them just a tiny little bit harder to obtain?

The number homicides per 100,000 population in France in 2012 was 0.21. It was 3.43 in the US in 2014. Of course it's a gun problem.

Except of course for the fact that he was radicalised through Abu Taubah and the radicalised teachings of this Iman. That combined with his visits to Afghanistan, and pledging his allegiance to ISIS.

But guns and nutjob work well too. He was a crazy homophobe with access to guns. Let's not think too hard on it.

The news media in my country is not yet confirming any of that.  The trips, the Iman, the ISIS pledge being anything more than an excuse after it started.

[Jack]

The comparison with the Paris attacks is an odd one--that one was a well-planned attack, carried out by a terror organisation cell. The Orlando attack was the act of a loner, a US citizen who bought the weapon legally, no questions asked, in spite of having been previously questioned by the FBI.

Of course it's a gun problem.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-remarks-gun-control-hauntingly-000000581.html

Obama stating it's impossible to keep suspected terrorist from obtaining guns is currently true, but about 80% of domestic terrorism acts in the US are bombings and arson with guns accounting for about 5% of methodology. It strikes as a scare tactic to promote an agenda when an honest approach would be more meaningful; not sure exactly what gets a person on the watch list but understand it's a lot more than ISIS sympathizers. The US has an eclectic history of domestic terrorism from right wing, left wing, racial, religious, animal and environmental, etc...extremists of every breed who sometimes act as organized and some lone. Every terrorist act carries a sub-set of the population who nod in agreement. Muslim terrorist are no different.

[Gopher Gary]

Leave them to it.  They're not worth the breathe you expend typing a retort.  Darwinism.  Simple as.

But I like Odeon's breath. It smells like coffee. 

[odeon]

The fact is that this nutjob, as so many other nutjobs on shooting sprees in the US, could legally obtain their weapons. How many of these tragedies could have been avoided simply by making them just a tiny little bit harder to obtain?

Probably the same number who couldn't get alcohol as a result of prohibition in the 1920's. AFAIK that number was a grand total of 0 people.

The number homicides per 100,000 population in France in 2012 was 0.21. It was 3.43 in the US in 2014. Of course it's a nigger problem.

Yeah, it make so much more sense to allow anyone access to weapons.

Fixed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide

[odeon]

The Orlando shooter was a nutjob. Yes, ISIS took credit, understandably, but their actual involvement is questionable. It is as likely that he was a homophobic and/or in the proverbial closet, considering that he was known in there.

The fact is that this nutjob, as so many other nutjobs on shooting sprees in the US, could legally obtain their weapons. How many of these tragedies could have been avoided simply by making them just a tiny little bit harder to obtain?

The number homicides per 100,000 population in France in 2012 was 0.21. It was 3.43 in the US in 2014. Of course it's a gun problem.

Except of course for the fact that he was radicalised through Abu Taubah and the radicalised teachings of this Iman. That combined with his visits to Afghanistan, and pledging his allegiance to ISIS.

But guns and nutjob work well too. He was a crazy homophobe with access to guns. Let's not think too hard on it.

Yeah, let's avoid any thoughts that could help avoid the next one.

[odeon]

The comparison with the Paris attacks is an odd one--that one was a well-planned attack, carried out by a terror organisation cell. The Orlando attack was the act of a loner, a US citizen who bought the weapon legally, no questions asked, in spite of having been previously questioned by the FBI.

Of course it's a gun problem.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-remarks-gun-control-hauntingly-000000581.html

Obama stating it's impossible to keep suspected terrorist from obtaining guns is currently true, but about 80% of domestic terrorism acts in the US are bombings and arson with guns accounting for about 5% of methodology. It strikes as a scare tactic to promote an agenda when an honest approach would be more meaningful; not sure exactly what gets a person on the watch list but understand it's a lot more than ISIS sympathizers. The US has an eclectic history of domestic terrorism from right wing, left wing, racial, religious, animal and environmental, etc...extremists of every breed who sometimes act as organized and some lone. Every terrorist act carries a sub-set of the population who nod in agreement. Muslim terrorist are no different.

If you think it's scare tactics you're missing the point which is a simple one, namely that your country needs better gun control.