No more mantra, Odeon. Back yourself.

[Yuri Bezmenov]

And then there is this obligation/wrath of the community thing. Here is the thing: I'm betting that if the community really thought I hadn't backed up my stuff, we would have heard about it. We haven't.

I think that what is left of the community doesn't give a shit, one way or the other. 

[MLA]

And then there is this obligation/wrath of the community thing. Here is the thing: I'm betting that if the community really thought I hadn't backed up my stuff, we would have heard about it. We haven't.

I think that what is left of the community doesn't give a shit, one way or the other. 

I would be surprised if any member of this community other than Jack has even read all those posts.  I started skipping them months ago.

[odeon]

And then there is this obligation/wrath of the community thing. Here is the thing: I'm betting that if the community really thought I hadn't backed up my stuff, we would have heard about it. We haven't.

I think that what is left of the community doesn't give a shit, one way or the other. 

Kind of my point.

[odeon]

Bloody hell, mate.

I decided to trust you on not tiptoeing around DFG since you made a good argument. Are you saying I shouldn't have?

The "full of shit" expression is just that, an expression, just like "get a life" is. Yet you seem to treat both as if they somehow were instrumental to my claiming you were intellectually dishonest.

This literal-mindedness then leads you to searching the board for instances of me using "full of shit", and spotting a couple of them where I said Cal was full of shit. He was, frequently, and admitted as much. But I moved on, and he moved on. You, however, seem unable to.

And then there is this obligation/wrath of the community thing. Here is the thing: I'm betting that if the community really thought I hadn't backed up my stuff, we would have heard about it. We haven't.

And finally, the bullshit you say you're smelling, I don't think the smell is from this direction. You might want to check your own trail first.

Indeed the reason you have given for my apparent intellectual dishonest is to say that Zegh is full of shit without reading him (thus knowing for sure) therefore ..... intellectual dishonest"

I am happy to reference it with quotes you made to that effect.

I actually agree that they are just expressions. I also agree that I am not intellectually dishonest for making such proclamations about Zegh without reading him any more. 

In fact all the above is my point. I am not intellectually dishonest for not reading Zegh.

I'm glad you agree with the above. Especially the last bit.

None of it was an argument for or against your intellectual dishonesty, though.

[Al Swearegen]

Bloody hell, mate.

I decided to trust you on not tiptoeing around DFG since you made a good argument. Are you saying I shouldn't have?

The "full of shit" expression is just that, an expression, just like "get a life" is. Yet you seem to treat both as if they somehow were instrumental to my claiming you were intellectually dishonest.

This literal-mindedness then leads you to searching the board for instances of me using "full of shit", and spotting a couple of them where I said Cal was full of shit. He was, frequently, and admitted as much. But I moved on, and he moved on. You, however, seem unable to.

And then there is this obligation/wrath of the community thing. Here is the thing: I'm betting that if the community really thought I hadn't backed up my stuff, we would have heard about it. We haven't.

And finally, the bullshit you say you're smelling, I don't think the smell is from this direction. You might want to check your own trail first.

Indeed the reason you have given for my apparent intellectual dishonest is to say that Zegh is full of shit without reading him (thus knowing for sure) therefore ..... intellectual dishonest"

I am happy to reference it with quotes you made to that effect.

I actually agree that they are just expressions. I also agree that I am not intellectually dishonest for making such proclamations about Zegh without reading him any more. 

In fact all the above is my point. I am not intellectually dishonest for not reading Zegh.

I'm glad you agree with the above. Especially the last bit.

None of it was an argument for or against your intellectual dishonesty, though.

Correct. You made no argument for me being intellectually dishonest. The argument you had against me you have stepped away from. The very last one was that I was intellectually dishonest because on one hand I proclaimed Zegh "full of shit" but did not read him, so therefore could not know for sure".

Now with your agreement with me that "full of shit" is a mere expression,  you've stepped away from that too.

You are now holding an empty sack

[ZEGH8578]

"full of suit"
"full of shot"

Im full of suits and shots :'D

Obviously, clear signs of drunk ravings are nothing to be ashamed of - quite the contrary, it is a sign of hardy manlyness! Or so alcoholics tend to tell themselves :]
Ross, have you ever considered writing a collection of poems?

[Jack]

Sir Les is dyslexic.

[ZEGH8578]

Doesn't make him less of a drunk

[Jack]

Though it does explain his frequent misspellings.

[ZEGH8578]

Either way, I should get more suits 

[Al Swearegen]

Sir Les is dyslexic.

I am too. My spelling is not improved with autocorrelation on mobile phones. Every Friday night my spelling will suffer a bit more because Friday night is bourbon night.

But yes I struggle with writing.

[odeon]

You've been missing my point for months, Al. What's a few more posts then?

But here is what I'm currently wondering: are you doing it deliberately?

[Al Swearegen]

You've been missing my point for months, Al. What's a few more posts then?

But here is what I'm currently wondering: are you doing it deliberately?

Al: I haven't read Zegh's posts but he is full of shit and so I am going to keep on telling everyone what he is like.
Odeon: Don't you think that is being intellectually dishonest?
Al: That's it, you're calling me dishonest and a liar, I am calling you out.

That about right?

Well, I think my argument does have substance. The message is a simple one: if you don't read Zegh's posts, you can't actually know he is full of shit. You can make assumptions but you can't know.

But I think it was right, the key being that you said you didn't read his posts but still said he is full of shit and acted on that assumption.

Neither, as expressions, need a deeper reading, and in doing so would show an ignorance that neither you nor I  have, and looks disingenuous.

The expression "Get a life" is not a literal definition and nor does it require a deeper examination. People when they use it, use it to denounce the object of their derision and are signalling their displeasure at that person's actions.

The expression "Full of shit" is not a literal definition and nor does it require the person requiring a deeper insight into everything someone says. It could be based off one conversation or an impression or a series of actions. It DOES NOT require you have heard or read everything someone says NOR that you are studying them (ie If you watch a couple of interviews with Glenn Beck, you would certainly be in good company saying he is full of shit. There would not be an expectation to watch and read everything he says for the next six months. Nor would you be intellectually dishonest if you proclaimed this after not having watched or read him for 6 month. Only an absolute idiot would argue that point). People use that when they use it, use it to denounce the value of the object of their derision and they are signalling their displeasure at that person.

The "full of shit" expression is just that, an expression, just like "get a life" is. Yet you seem to treat both as if they somehow were instrumental to my claiming you were intellectually dishonest.

Jesus Christ!

[ZEGH8578]

Get a life Ross

[odeon]

Does the term "paraphrasing" mean anything to you, Al?

And no, I didn't expect you to magically get it this time either.