Al, Zegh and Kittenburger, I'm challenging the three of you.

[Bastet]

I can't go on my laptop until I can install a proper firewall. I hate posting on my phone. The thing is I have much more to say. But really I want a larger screen and Microsoft word to help with the editing.

Will it explain why stuff is such SERIOUS BUSINESS that you have to even track IPs?

Will see.

I was curious to see if I was right. I was. I'm psychic I wanted to see how spot on my intuition was. Just like my intuition with Zegh. I see through his bullshit. He's lying.

Why the need to share the location of the IP with me.

I find it weird and a bit worrying that you have the need to check an IP. But that after that you have to share it too makes it really awkward.

Style and content often tell enough about who is who. Sometimes it takes a while, Hubert was a master in going unnoticed for most members for a long long time. But most of the times it is visible very quickly.

I already told you why. Do I need to repost that again for you?

I was pointing out the bullshit going on but obviously you don't care. Why even start this callout if you don't care? I'm going to keep having fun with Zegh and he'll keep responding because he's too cocky too ignore me.

I did not make this challenge to find out who is a liar or saint. I am just bored with this shit going on for so long and so extended. Everywhere on the board. (Yes, Al, I know it is only a small percentage, but it is like boils, even if they cover only a percent of your body, you can think they are a bloody nuisance) I am bored with it. So I challenged the three of you.

That's what my challenge is about. And that is what will not change apparently. Well so be it. I2 survived things like this before, but that was when the board was way more active and there were plenty of threads where tedious never ending stale drama was not around.

The problems the three of you have are things the three of you should sort out. Not my business.  I was not aiming for the ultimate truth or something like that.

If crimes have been committed, or if you think your privacy has been tampered with, you can report posts. Staff can deal with that.

It won't ever be sorted out. Zegh is Zegh. He starts shit then lies about the circumstances. I'm content to pester him endlessly and he can't resist striking back. He'll never be a real man and own up to his own flaws. I'm no saint. I admit I'm childish and lazy and make little effort in how I post and will probably wont change that here, since I see no real point. I'm very OCD when it comes to lies and hypocrisy though. I've said that quite a few times here. He shouldn't start shit if he can't finish it, IMO.


Also he shouldn't throw bricks in glass houses in regards to attacking my appearance. Sounding like a middle school little girl. Sad.

['andersom']

So, all three of you are dedicated to go on.
I have failed in challenging you effectively.
The peanut gallery may hand out the winners cake to the three of you.

[Al Swearegen]

So, all three of you are dedicated to go on.
I have failed in challenging you effectively.
The peanut gallery may hand out the winners cake to the three of you.

Not so sure you are right about that.
Zegh is giving mixed messages. THAT much I have gleaned from what you and others have said (but I don't care to read him myself). On one hand he does not want to be associated with the feuding. He certainly does not want to be seen as in any way responsible for it and especially after 10 months.
But on the other hand, as much as he dislikes it, he reacts on it again and again. He doesn't want it and wants it to end and yet his efforts to resolve it are far from good as I pointed out. 

He has not a clue what to do. It's embarrassing.

Not really sure what he should do either. He seemed to take responsibility for starting it on the first page of the callout, though haven't gotten the impression anyone involved is interested in an end. Not sure what would make it end.

Well Jack, would you ever imagine yourself in this position? Having thrown bad tactic after worse over 10 months and finding yourself stuck in a crappy situation you could not get out of? What might you do in that case? Try shaming the person? Insulting them? Cry at other members in the from? Dare them to do things to prove...whatever?

You know as well as I that none of these things is likely to resolve anything. Ignoring it? Better....if it goes away.

Now, IF these tactics do not work, is it a good idea to rinse and repeat again and again and expect a better result?

My questions are rhetorical because I know that you wouldn't. You are not a moronic stoner. In fact we had a run in (not one of my better moments) some years ago and we sorted things. In fact many of us have and sorted things. Hell, Bint and I sorted things out, and she accused me of incestuous pedophilia.

If people REALLY want to sort things they will manage.

Now as for me? I don't care. Honestly. I get a bit of a laugh stirring up Zegh. It makes me smile. If he finished what he started and conducted himself like a man, not a smarmy, obnoxious man-child, he may be worth reading and may be worth a modicum of respect. I may even go along with him. I don't mind either way. But I do not think the reactions of others on here will sway me one way or another.

This is of course a great opportunity to see if Zegh is full of bullshit when he has been moaning about wanting it to end and not having any ability to stop it. Or whether he will put on his big boy pants and get on with it.

I am not going to hold his hand with this. I would much prefer seeing him prove he was never about fixing things and squander the last of his trust and credibility and failing that I would love the opportunity to see him flail around in the dark trying to resolve things.


One last thing, I think Kittenburger you misread Hyke. You care too much too, if she likes Zegh. Most here do. He is my humble opinion a waste of oxygen but not everyone will share my wholesome opinion of him. Hyke is not picking sides on this one and she doesn't need to. She thinks we are all equally being dickheads and I am 90% sure that opinion is shared by 90% of the people on the forum. I do like Hyke.

I also think You, misrepresents Kittenburger's intentions Hyke. Kittenburger hold grudges and holds them deep enough to grow roots. She hates Zegh. She loathes him and the shit things he has said about her and still says. Kittenburger is obsessive and is sensitive. I say these things not as a good or a bad thing. It is just her. She would be the first to tell you that though. I reject that she is following me around. She certainly DOES agree with many of my contentions about Zegh and visa versa. These will be reflected in 1/7 threads I post in and likely to be over many posts in those threads. I like her. She is good value.

So unless anyone comments on or contends any of this, this will be my final bit on this thread.

Oh Zegh

[ZEGH8578]

Stop being a child Al, and take some responsability.

Is this a "reaction"?

If so, does that compell you to keep going, indefinitely? Then you are a child.
All you do is revert to this "I'm just a troublemaker, I can't help it!"-crap. You can help it. We all can help how we behave. And you're not a "troublemaker" or a "badass" or a "bear" or a damn "genie" (stup using these angrandizing analogies. And see? You read my messages, all of them, which... I knew...  )

I'm going to go a little further, and give Hyke 1 of my months to try "silent treatment" again. I will respond to normal communication, but not to "cat memes" or any other "provocative" bullshit.
One month, starting now.

[Bastet]

Stop being a child Al, and take some responsability.

Is this a "reaction"?

If so, does that compell you to keep going, indefinitely? Then you are a child.
All you do is revert to this "I'm just a troublemaker, I can't help it!"-crap. You can help it. We all can help how we behave. And you're not a "troublemaker" or a "badass" or a "bear" or a damn "genie" (stup using these angrandizing analogies. And see? You read my messages, all of them, which... I knew...  )

I'm going to go a little further, and givne Hyke 1 of my months to try "silent treatment" again. I will respond to normal communication, but not to "cat memes" or any other "provocative" bullshit.
One month, starting now.

[zeghing intensifies]

I don't recall you taking responsibility for your own childish behaviors. Yet you talk to others like your an adult and they're a child. You are delusional. Must be the weed giving you unwarranted self importance.

[Al Swearegen]

Stop being a child Al, and take some responsability.

Is this a "reaction"?

If so, does that compell you to keep going, indefinitely? Then you are a child.
All you do is revert to this "I'm just a troublemaker, I can't help it!"-crap. You can help it. We all can help how we behave. And you're not a "troublemaker" or a "badass" or a "bear" or a damn "genie" (stup using these angrandizing analogies. And see? You read my messages, all of them, which... I knew...  )

I'm going to go a little further, and givne Hyke 1 of my months to try "silent treatment" again. I will respond to normal communication, but not to "cat memes" or any other "provocative" bullshit.
One month, starting now.

[zeghing intensifies]

I don't recall you taking responsibility for your own childish behaviors. Yet you talk to others like your an adult and they're a child. You are delusional. Must be the weed giving you unwarranted self importance.

I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt. Given every opportunity to see what he did wrong and what had not worked, I may as well read his reply.

Bloody Hell.

Did I not tell him that the tactics he had used were bad tactics? Did I not make that abundantly clear? Did I not say that ignoring was only sighting better than the shaming, daring and insulting tactics and doesn't resolve anything but rather would only work if others move on? Didn't I say that doing rinse repeat of the same tactics he had used (ignoring was a previous tactics) will not work?

So what does he do? 

But that was not all. Was else did the smug condescending man-child say? Yup, I need to take responsibility. Well clearly I have the whole way through.  I have no issue with this. I happily own everything I said and my place in it.

Kittenburger,  you noticed (and I am sure anyone else reading did too) He did not take any responsibility. None. Effectively he says:

"I didn't do anything. I was not involved. I have no responsibility or accountability for my actions. But to" prove" my commitment to stopping it, I will try to use a tactic I previously used that was just denounced by one of the people I am feuding with. It did not work last time and I have been told explicitly that it won't this time, but I will use it again....and with righteous indignance and in a month' s time I will say "See!!" like a school child and you will all see how committed I was and how bad the others were"

This is virtue signalling. He is doing two things giving the pretence of wanting resolution by do something that appears that he is doing something constructive. But it has a nastier element to it which everyone should see. A petulant element.  Earlier Hyke suggested maybe ignoring Kittenburger and I. She set no timestamp for this ignoring tactic. So he will come in, ignore all other advice, set a timestamp, trial ignoring for a month and then when it doesn't work,  will petulant say "See, Hyke! You were wrong. I knew better. That tactic was your tactic and it doesn't work because nothing works and it's not my fault"

He is a man-child. It's not about fixing things. He is shifting blame. Hyke's fault because she gave bad advice, Al's responsibility because he will not finish what I started and allow me to not be accountable for my actions. It's Kittenburger's fault because she won't stop pointing out my shitty behaviours. The only person who isn't at fault is Zegh.

Oh he mentioned the Bear and the Genie, and his pea brain thought that in either of those analogies I was contextualising myself as the bear or the Genie.

The Genie for instance is the things carelessly said or doing, that causes havoc and becomes a bigger and bigger issue if uncontrolled. Therefore too difficult to control or contain back in the confines of the bottle. In this situation it makes the Genie, everything unconstructive thing you've said and your shit attitude about things to this point....not me.

As for the bear? You are an idiot. No worth explaining, you are still likely at the Genie example, trying to find a way that I was trying to make a point to me about me whilst speaking to you..  Because you are a dumb bastard.

So no surprises. I didn't expect much, so I wasn't disappointed. I won't hold the door open for you again, nor read the crap you say

[Bastet]

Interesting how Hyke fails to see through it. Maybe she's just settling for anything even insincerity from a baby.

[Al Swearegen]

Interesting how Hyke fails to see through it. Maybe she's just settling for anything even insincerity from a baby.

Well. In my humble opinion, he will do what I said. So I think IF he is looking to offload any responsibility AND IF he is looking to virtue signal and garner support from others (at the expense of trying to make Hyke look stupid and/or ignorant -and I won't pretend that doesn't piss me off) THEN  Hyke and everyone else he is trying to virtue signal has three choices:

A) ignore him and his petulance
B)  give him the pats and ruffles on the head that he will be after and say (verbatim)  "There, there Zegh. You were right, cleverer and more morally superior than those other too. I think you are prettier too. Don't worry about those others"
C) When he responds with his "See. I told you so!",  come straight back at him and say "Zegh. Hyke merely made a suggestion and now you are throwing this well-meaningness in her face. This is not her problem to solve, it's yours. You started it,  so don't even worry about Hyke, what are YOU suggesting to fix YOUR problem?"

Obviously B) is the worst and should look the worst.

I find it very interesting he stated the ignoring was for a month. Who do you imagine he is letting know and why? He is letting me and Kittenburger know. Take this to whatever conclusion you like but it is NOT about resolution

[Bastet]

Interesting how Hyke fails to see through it. Maybe she's just settling for anything even insincerity from a baby.

Well. In my humble opinion, he will do what I said. So I think IF he is looking to offload any responsibility AND IF he is looking to virtue signal and garner support from others (at the expense of trying to make Hyke look stupid and/or ignorant -and I won't pretend that doesn't piss me off) THEN  Hyke and everyone else he is trying to virtue signal has three choices:

A) ignore him and his petulance
B)  give him the pats and ruffles on the head that he will be after and say (verbatim)  "There, there Zegh. You were right, cleverer and more morally superior than those other too. I think you are prettier too. Don't worry about those others"
C) When he responds with his "See. I told you so!",  come straight back at him and say "Zegh. Hyke merely made a suggestion and now you are throwing this well-meaningness in her face. This is not her problem to solve, it's yours. You started it,  so don't even worry about Hyke, what are YOU suggesting to fix YOUR problem?"

Obviously B) is the worst and should look the worst.

I find it very interesting he stated the ignoring was for a month. Who do you imagine he is letting know and why? He is letting me and Kittenburger know. Take this to whatever conclusion you like but it is NOT about resolution

It's about control.

['andersom']

OK, not a calling me back in unison, but I thought I did need to react on this.

Interesting how Hyke fails to see through it. Maybe she's just settling for anything even insincerity from a baby.

What did I not see in my challenge?

I hold all three of you equally responsible. No favours based on personal preference or politics or posts or what ever.

Zegh now is putting himself on a month of restraint. His responsibility to do that. His responsibility to decide what to do after that month too. My challenge, his responsibility.



The issues you and Zegh have are between the two of you.

I also think You, misrepresents Kittenburger's intentions Hyke. Kittenburger hold grudges and holds them deep enough to grow roots. She hates Zegh. She loathes him and the shit things he has said about her and still says. Kittenburger is obsessive and is sensitive.

You are right in that I do not get Kittenburger's intentions. I don't have the talent nor the energy to hold grudges and to hate with a passion. I do not have the drive that some people can get out of those grudges and that hate either.
It's something I look at in wonder. It would wear me out completely, yet Kittenburger seems to thrive at it.

And the whole thing about who I like, or who I like best, it simply is not part of why I made this challenge.

Just like I think it is not important at all to like people on I2. If I only wanted people around who I really like and agree with, I should be somewhere else than on I2.
Funny thing is, because of that, there are only very few people on I2 that I dislike. And they are hardly ever around. (Think Zyjaret and such)


BTW, babies are never insincere. 

[Al Swearegen]

Interesting how Hyke fails to see through it. Maybe she's just settling for anything even insincerity from a baby.

Well. In my humble opinion, he will do what I said. So I think IF he is looking to offload any responsibility AND IF he is looking to virtue signal and garner support from others (at the expense of trying to make Hyke look stupid and/or ignorant -and I won't pretend that doesn't piss me off) THEN  Hyke and everyone else he is trying to virtue signal has three choices:

A) ignore him and his petulance
B)  give him the pats and ruffles on the head that he will be after and say (verbatim)  "There, there Zegh. You were right, cleverer and more morally superior than those other too. I think you are prettier too. Don't worry about those others"
C) When he responds with his "See. I told you so!",  come straight back at him and say "Zegh. Hyke merely made a suggestion and now you are throwing this well-meaningness in her face. This is not her problem to solve, it's yours. You started it,  so don't even worry about Hyke, what are YOU suggesting to fix YOUR problem?"

Obviously B) is the worst and should look the worst.

I find it very interesting he stated the ignoring was for a month. Who do you imagine he is letting know and why? He is letting me and Kittenburger know. Take this to whatever conclusion you like but it is NOT about resolution

It's about control.

Absolutely.  Huge part of it.

If you look at how he has gone about things and what he has done wrong you will see everything he fucked up with, and will continue to will, centre around things like control, ego, entitlement,  immaturity, inability to be responsible, ego. a heightened sense of moral and intellectual superiority, and so on. It's a bad combination. It actually gave me pause to think whilst typing this to think with I was being unfair (I mean you could call me pedantic, arrogant. Opinionated and so on) but I think he IS all these things AND it inhibits him from acting like an adult.

[Bastet]

OK, not a calling me back in unison, but I thought I did need to react on this.

Interesting how Hyke fails to see through it. Maybe she's just settling for anything even insincerity from a baby.

What did I not see in my challenge?

I hold all three of you equally responsible. No favours based on personal preference or politics or posts or what ever.

Zegh now is putting himself on a month of restraint. His responsibility to do that. His responsibility to decide what to do after that month too. My challenge, his responsibility.



The issues you and Zegh have are between the two of you.

I also think You, misrepresents Kittenburger's intentions Hyke. Kittenburger hold grudges and holds them deep enough to grow roots. She hates Zegh. She loathes him and the shit things he has said about her and still says. Kittenburger is obsessive and is sensitive.

You are right in that I do not get Kittenburger's intentions. I don't have the talent nor the energy to hold grudges and to hate with a passion. I do not have the drive that some people can get out of those grudges and that hate either.
It's something I look at in wonder. It would wear me out completely, yet Kittenburger seems to thrive at it.

And the whole thing about who I like, or who I like best, it simply is not part of why I made this challenge.

Just like I think it is not important at all to like people on I2. If I only wanted people around who I really like and agree with, I should be somewhere else than on I2.
Funny thing is, because of that, there are only very few people on I2 that I dislike. And they are hardly ever around. (Think Zyjaret and such)


BTW, babies are never insincere. 

I may be a pig , but I am sincere. < that was on a birthday card I gave my dad when I was 8.

['andersom']

I may be a pig , but I am sincere. < that was on a birthday card I gave my dad when I was 8.

[Al Swearegen]

OK, not a calling me back in unison, but I thought I did need to react on this.

Interesting how Hyke fails to see through it. Maybe she's just settling for anything even insincerity from a baby.

What did I not see in my challenge?

I hold all three of you equally responsible. No favours based on personal preference or politics or posts or what ever.

Zegh now is putting himself on a month of restraint. His responsibility to do that. His responsibility to decide what to do after that month too. My challenge, his responsibility.



The issues you and Zegh have are between the two of you.

I also think You, misrepresents Kittenburger's intentions Hyke. Kittenburger hold grudges and holds them deep enough to grow roots. She hates Zegh. She loathes him and the shit things he has said about her and still says. Kittenburger is obsessive and is sensitive.

You are right in that I do not get Kittenburger's intentions. I don't have the talent nor the energy to hold grudges and to hate with a passion. I do not have the drive that some people can get out of those grudges and that hate either.
It's something I look at in wonder. It would wear me out completely, yet Kittenburger seems to thrive at it.

And the whole thing about who I like, or who I like best, it simply is not part of why I made this challenge.

Just like I think it is not important at all to like people on I2. If I only wanted people around who I really like and agree with, I should be somewhere else than on I2.
Funny thing is, because of that, there are only very few people on I2 that I dislike. And they are hardly ever around. (Think Zyjaret and such)


BTW, babies are never insincere. 

I may be a pig , but I am sincere. < that was on a birthday card I gave my dad when I was 8.

That's hilarious!

['Butterflies']

And lol @ being the subject of PMs. I definitely am flattered.

And to be absolutely clear - kittenburger knows nothing about me. I guess she is free to speculate, and ponder things out, sure, be the whole arm-chair-psychologist thing, I like to do that myself. My point is, if she claims to know any deep dark secret or whatever, just know that she does not know anything more than you do. If you wanna know more about me, Google me.

Just the fact that burger went to the lengths of actually instigating through PM says a lot about how far she is willing to go, just to "be right".
So, again, I am supposed to... what... ignore her PM-ing someone in private, to stir shit up?
How exactly do I ignore that, if I don't even know it's happening?

That's a question directed at you, Hyke. If "silent treatment" is the way to make this calm down, how do I practically employ this method, if it has absolutely no discernible effect? If nothing stops burger from just PMing you?

Oh, and kittenburger, here's tip #43 for you: I don't PM people about you, you know why? Cus I talk about you while you're here, so you can hear what I say. Also, because I look like less of a sneak shit weasel, by not sneaking around, like a little hobby manipulator. Amateur.

I've even openly stated when I've pmed al what I've said out here. Too lazy to find it and post it here in callout. It's no secret. I didn't start pming until I saw the bullshit with you and butterflies and she posted the teletubby on gopher Gary because she's too much of a coward to post it as herself.   


With hykes she didn't read what I said at all or missed it so I said it again in pm.

 

Just seen this. Words fail me. Just