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Re: Was there a Jesus?
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2014, 12:19:31 PM »
It is entirely plausible he exists...the stories were often told to people so they could relate to him, but I am relatively certain he is a real person.

First, examine the characteristics of "prophethood" in that region. The people there were living in a semi-arid climate keenly aware of the tales of great empires and kingdoms which came and went, and now lay in ruins buried under the sand....

Many of the deserts were once fertile valleys...but exploitation, war, and climate completely drastically changed the landscape overtime, and each time an empire fell people were scattered here and there- some keeping the name of their fallen kings, some returning to nomadic lifestyles conglomerating with other tribes...

Anyways- in all of this historical flux and chaos there were stories about why the empires fell (many had to do with punishment from god for not heeding the warnings of his prophet, or a promise to rebuild itself with the help of a messiah). So this was already pretty much a part of the local folklore no matter what religion or race you were. (perhaps with the exception of the foreigners from the western empires- rome and greece)

Well, what does a prophet bring? Pretty much every influential and well respected prophet has been a person- a human- who basically figured out that society is bullshit, that people are unnecessarily cruel, and that we need to change the way we think about living and about each other or else we will destroy ourselves with greed and fear. (like what we are doing currently with over-exploitation of land, animals, and peoples)....

Thats why prophets always come at a time that is particularly chaotic. They come with a vision, and ignite a movement helping the people free themselves from the clutches of a corrupt society and group-think, and encourage individuals to seek what is just and true, and stand up for it. In order to do this people need to be free, and they need to be encouraged to think/philosophise...they also need to be taught to respect one another and live in a way that does not step on each other's freedoms... so the prophets tend to speak in parables, or poems, or something to provoke critical thought.

Well, what usually happens is, the prophet is really well respected by some people and the people are motivated to carry the message to others, and as they do so (being in an area where various cultures interact), they have to be able to relate the message in different languages, cultures, etc. And because people are so inspired by what the prophet does, they romanticise them to a great degree...you can see it in the way people romanticise their favourite leaders.

Overtime the stories become embellished, etc and then ta-da you have what sounds like a nice story and doesn't seem very relevant. Whats more, the people spread out the message lose the whole point- the point is to think, reflect, do what is righteous...but instead they get sucked right back into group-think, follow-the-herd mentality...  :facepalm2:

The reason prophets can keep emerging is because societies keep screwing up and people keep forgetting to think. So when someone actually manages to think AND speak about it, the people assume they are a prophet.
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Can't you guys even just imagine it?

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Re: Was there a Jesus?
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2014, 02:11:29 PM »
I just realised no one has replied to this... :apondering: *sigh*
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Re: Was there a Jesus?
« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2014, 04:01:15 PM »
I only just saw it. If it is a tired worn out tale from antiquity. Maybe they just rehashed and embellish it and put what was then a modern spin to it
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Re: Was there a Jesus?
« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2014, 01:44:07 PM »
I only just saw it. If it is a tired worn out tale from antiquity. Maybe they just rehashed and embellish it and put what was then a modern spin to it

A likely case. Also, it is possible they took from "Jesus" what they wanted and made him into THEIR legend, like people tend to do with any heros or important people.
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Re: Was there a Jesus?
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2014, 04:54:57 AM »
Which gets back to the original question
I2 today is not i2 of yesteryear. It is a knitting circle. Those that participate be they nice or asshats know their place and the price to be there. Odeon is the overlord

.Benevolent if you toe the line.

Think it is I2 of old? Even Odeon is not so delusional as to think otherwise. He may on occasionally pretend otherwise but his base is that knitting circle.

Censoring/banning/restricting/moderating myself, Calanadale & Scrapheap were all not his finest moments.

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Re: Was there a Jesus?
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2014, 09:20:13 AM »
Which gets back to the original question

I think he was real. He might have worn a different outfit though.
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Re: Was there a Jesus?
« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2014, 08:04:38 PM »
Which gets back to the original question

I think he was real. He might have worn a different outfit though.


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Re: Was there a Jesus?
« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2014, 08:06:50 PM »
Which gets back to the original question

I think he was real. He might have worn a different outfit though.



That seems accurate.  :2thumbsup:
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Re: Was there a Jesus?
« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2014, 01:44:10 PM »
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Re: Was there a Jesus?
« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2014, 06:22:51 AM »
Prophets and such people are often in past tense. They are rarely contemporary.
Jesus is unmentioned by society untill at least a century or two after his supposed existence. It follows the pattern.

If a prophet is contemporary, it simply doesn't work, in a litterary sense. We don't believe living, existing people who claim they are "the son of god" or "have seen the future", and they wouldn't have fallen for such sillyness in the Roman age either. You couldn't just walk up to people and go "I'm the son of god, for serious", they wouldn't have you hanged out of "fear", they wouldn't do anything, they'd eyeroll, and call their friends over to laugh at you.

It is only in past tense, that prophets can shake entire empires to the core, by being super-nice and all. I bet in 1000 years from now, WW2 was won by a particular hero, an American boy, who shook Hitler's heart, by showing him the ultimate compassion for jews and gypsies. Hitler cried, and was swallowed by the earth. The soldier's name was private Ryan. Future people will discuss wether or not there existed a soldier, called Ryan.

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Re: Was there a Jesus?
« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2014, 03:05:46 PM »
I believe it is plausible that a man named Jesus existed and that he may have made bizarre claims and was crucified.

I am afraid I do not buy into the son of god thing.  If a woman named Mary claimed that she was a virgin when she married a bloke named Joseph and then gave birth to a son before he got to have his wicked way .... well!  Joseph was a mug  :tard:

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Re: Was there a Jesus?
« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2014, 11:45:41 PM »
Prophets and such people are often in past tense. They are rarely contemporary.
Jesus is unmentioned by society untill at least a century or two after his supposed existence. It follows the pattern.

If a prophet is contemporary, it simply doesn't work, in a litterary sense. We don't believe living, existing people who claim they are "the son of god" or "have seen the future", and they wouldn't have fallen for such sillyness in the Roman age either. You couldn't just walk up to people and go "I'm the son of god, for serious", they wouldn't have you hanged out of "fear", they wouldn't do anything, they'd eyeroll, and call their friends over to laugh at you.

It is only in past tense, that prophets can shake entire empires to the core, by being super-nice and all. I bet in 1000 years from now, WW2 was won by a particular hero, an American boy, who shook Hitler's heart, by showing him the ultimate compassion for jews and gypsies. Hitler cried, and was swallowed by the earth. The soldier's name was private Ryan. Future people will discuss wether or not there existed a soldier, called Ryan.

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Re: Was there a Jesus?
« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2014, 02:54:15 AM »
It is only in past tense, that prophets can shake entire empires to the core, by being super-nice and all. I bet in 1000 years from now, WW2 was won by a particular hero, an American boy, who shook Hitler's heart, by showing him the ultimate compassion for jews and gypsies. Hitler cried, and was swallowed by the earth. The soldier's name was private Ryan. Future people will discuss wether or not there existed a soldier, called Ryan.

I think his name was "Bob". :M
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Re: Was there a Jesus?
« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2014, 10:36:02 PM »
It is only in past tense, that prophets can shake entire empires to the core, by being super-nice and all. I bet in 1000 years from now, WW2 was won by a particular hero, an American boy, who shook Hitler's heart, by showing him the ultimate compassion for jews and gypsies. Hitler cried, and was swallowed by the earth. The soldier's name was private Ryan. Future people will discuss wether or not there existed a soldier, called Ryan.

I think his name was "Bob". :M

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