When the Right to Bear Arms Includes the Mentally Ill

[Semicolon]

It should be a stretch. Having therapy and taking meds is very different from refusing to take your meds and waving guns at mum. Or, it should be.

The mere fact that you have does already put up barriers making joining the armed forces,getting a CDL, and a pilot license  difficult if not impossible.  With the way many laws  are broadly written I can see potential problems especially with the sigma attached to it.

Asssuming that we all can agree that felons should be denied their natural rights to live freely, including the right to keep arms, vote, serve the public in any official capacity, etc.  Why is it not as simple to deny the rights of those who prove to be incompetent.

Do we really need a judge to determine this. Well maybe so. If one is incompetent with any dangerous tool, car, gun, hammer, alcoholic drink, whatever, then it follows that ...

If you act like a retard, maybe there should be a way to keep you from your natural rights.
Lock them up with a soap magazine and make them shit in a bucket. It is called prison. You no longer get to exercize your natural rights.




Editing: Oh and no more safe places. Let them all live together in open spaces. Darwin rules for all!

That is for me  becoming a bigger and bigger assumption due to the criminalization of seemingly trivial things seems to be the trend in this country. This is a description of a book from 2009 and it's only getting worse

The average professional in this country wakes up in the morning, goes to work, comes home, eats dinner, and then goes to sleep, unaware that he or she has likely committed several federal crimes that day. Why? The answer lies in the very nature of modern federal criminal laws, which have not only exploded in number, but, along with countless regulatory provisions, have also become impossibly broad and vague. In Three Felonies a Day, Harvey A. Silverglate reveals how the federal criminal justice system has become dangerously disconnected from common law traditions of due process and fair notice of the law's expectations, enabling prosecutors to pin arguable federal crimes on any one of us, for even the most seemingly innocuous behavior.The dangers spelled out in Three Felonies a Day do not apply solely to''white collar criminals,'' state and local politicians, and professionals. No social class or profession is safe from this troubling form of social control by the executive branch, and nothing less than the continued functioning and integrity of our constitutional democracy hang in the balance.

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Here's a new one that was in the headlines the other day

Starting next year, Illinois law enforcement will not only be ticketing you for failure to wear a seatbelt or illegal use of a cell phone while driving, they’ll also be stopping motorists who flick cigarette butts out their windows.

With former Democrat State Rep. Deb Mell’s bill HB 3243 now law, flicking butts will cost you. A first time conviction is a class B misdemeanor with a fine not exceeding $1,500. A second conviction is a class A misdemeanor with a fine not exceeding $1,500.

Third or subsequent convictions will be a class 4 felony, punishable by a fine of $25,000 and imprisonment not less than one year and not more than three years.

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So this can be tricky even with regards to felonies as to mental illness it's even trickier.  There are certainly people who should never have guns but legislators tend to like broad definitions   and that leaves it very open to abuse.  I am planing on getting my hunting permit for next year and I don't want to be hassled about the fact I have been in therapy or that I take meds.

The butt flicking thing has been a law here for a very long time, as well the cell phone use and seat belt laws. Any personal deviation from the law puts the general public at risk.  We can not, as a society, have this risk continue. When we drive on the roads we all pay for, we should assume that we are safe to do so. Having some idiot distracted smoking or texting or whatever while slamming into other people who ARE following the laws NEEDS to stop.

Are you saying that an incremental process will lead to a "legal permit" climate which will keep you from being able to get a hunting license because you had therapy and took meds?

I think it is a stretch.

Yes it has but they have been making up new felonies at an alarming rate and going after people for them http://www.threefeloniesaday.com/Youtoo/tabid/86/Default.aspx

Basically all I am saying it's not as clear cut as it seems and it needs to be looked at with common sense say for instance someone guilty of a felony for a third offense of throwing butts out the window is not the same as someone convicted  for bank robbery.

 The "Three Strikes Law" only applies to felonies.  Flicking a butt or talking on a cell or texting while driving do not count.

A felon carrying a weapon counts as a "strike."  It is not the same as taking meds or having therapy.

Relax! You live in the most free country on the planet despite being run by a socialist and if in doubt there are thousands of liberal judges to help you meet the law half way.

You are a free citizen. You Have NOTHING to worry about.

No, we have a lot to worry about.

[odeon]

Such as lunatics with guns.

[Icequeen]

I have to agree with parts. No, I don't want to see someone who is obviously mentally ill and has made threats to someone's safety running around with a gun in their hand. But I worry that restrictions will be taken to excess. Not that our government has ever done that in the past.

...and on a side note, my son is seeing a new counselor ATM.  One of the questions on the form for the parents...

"Do you own a firearm, or do you have any firearms in the household?"

Yes, and I also own a chainsaw, a large knife I use to chop onions with, and a full set of steak knives. WTH.

 

[odeon]

While related, the issues shouldn't have to be mutually exclusive.

[Semicolon]

I have to agree with parts. No, I don't want to see someone who is obviously mentally ill and has made threats to someone's safety running around with a gun in their hand. But I worry that restrictions will be taken to excess. Not that our government has ever done that in the past.

...and on a side note, my son is seeing a new counselor ATM.  One of the questions on the form for the parents...

"Do you own a firearm, or do you have any firearms in the household?"

Yes, and I also own a chainsaw, a large knife I use to chop onions with, and a full set of steak knives. WTH.

 

Whether or not its justified, it's either way that that question would be asked.

I hope Parts can get a hunting license.

[Parts]

I have to agree with parts. No, I don't want to see someone who is obviously mentally ill and has made threats to someone's safety running around with a gun in their hand. But I worry that restrictions will be taken to excess. Not that our government has ever done that in the past.

...and on a side note, my son is seeing a new counselor ATM.  One of the questions on the form for the parents...

"Do you own a firearm, or do you have any firearms in the household?"

Yes, and I also own a chainsaw, a large knife I use to chop onions with, and a full set of steak knives. WTH.

 

Whether or not its justified, it's either way that that question would be asked.

I hope Parts can get a hunting license.

It should not be a problem as things are now but with the wacky legislators passing laws about things they know nothing about who knows.  I do know that besides taking the hunting course I must take a special ammo course and get a permit to buy ammo in Ct.  Oddly enough it's quicker and cheaper to get a concealed carry permit than just the ammo one so a lot of people who would never had thought of getting a concealed carry permit are just so they can buy ammo to hunt,  so there are going to be a lot more people able to carry a pistol which is not what they intended.

[RageBeoulve]

I own and maintain many different firearms. I have a large collection of knives and swords, the battle ready swords are all sharp enough to shave hair. I know how to kill a man with my hands in ways that you would probably think are ridiculous just hearing them offhand.

I don't give a fuck what you think, state. I will fuck you in the ass if you come trying to apply your viewpoints to my way of life.

[Semicolon]

I have to agree with parts. No, I don't want to see someone who is obviously mentally ill and has made threats to someone's safety running around with a gun in their hand. But I worry that restrictions will be taken to excess. Not that our government has ever done that in the past.

...and on a side note, my son is seeing a new counselor ATM.  One of the questions on the form for the parents...

"Do you own a firearm, or do you have any firearms in the household?"

Yes, and I also own a chainsaw, a large knife I use to chop onions with, and a full set of steak knives. WTH.

 

Whether or not its justified, it's either way that that question would be asked.

I hope Parts can get a hunting license.

It should not be a problem as things are now but with the wacky legislators passing laws about things they know nothing about who knows.  I do know that besides taking the hunting course I must take a special ammo course and get a permit to buy ammo in Ct.  Oddly enough it's quicker and cheaper to get a concealed carry permit than just the ammo one so a lot of people who would never had thought of getting a concealed carry permit are just so they can buy ammo to hunt,  so there are going to be a lot more people able to carry a pistol which is not what they intended.

There is no obvious state for you to travel to to buy ammunition.

[Parts]

I have to agree with parts. No, I don't want to see someone who is obviously mentally ill and has made threats to someone's safety running around with a gun in their hand. But I worry that restrictions will be taken to excess. Not that our government has ever done that in the past.

...and on a side note, my son is seeing a new counselor ATM.  One of the questions on the form for the parents...

"Do you own a firearm, or do you have any firearms in the household?"

Yes, and I also own a chainsaw, a large knife I use to chop onions with, and a full set of steak knives. WTH.

 

Whether or not its justified, it's either way that that question would be asked.

I hope Parts can get a hunting license.

It should not be a problem as things are now but with the wacky legislators passing laws about things they know nothing about who knows.  I do know that besides taking the hunting course I must take a special ammo course and get a permit to buy ammo in Ct.  Oddly enough it's quicker and cheaper to get a concealed carry permit than just the ammo one so a lot of people who would never had thought of getting a concealed carry permit are just so they can buy ammo to hunt,  so there are going to be a lot more people able to carry a pistol which is not what they intended.

There is no obvious state for you to travel to to buy ammunition.

Any of the three surrounding states MA,RI, or NY like we used to do for beer on Sundays before they changed the laws on that, it's   one of the things that make it ridiculous and shows how little they know about how things work. I also think that they don't restrict reloading supplies which I have bought in the past at tag sales to resell at the flea market.