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In 1958 Ford was BRAVE...
« on: November 24, 2013, 11:00:46 AM »
...because...Ford Nucleon

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Re: In 1958 Ford was BRAVE...
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2013, 11:08:13 AM »
...because...Ford Nucleon

Heh, in the Fallout game-series, cars are nuclear powered, and modelled after such designs


Ah, the article mentions it! Lazy me :D

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Re: In 1958 Ford was BRAVE...
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2013, 11:17:44 AM »
You want rally brave?  Look at this plutonium pacemaker powered by a radioisotope thermoelectric generator using Pu as fuel
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Re: In 1958 Ford was BRAVE...
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2013, 11:23:58 AM »
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Re: In 1958 Ford was BRAVE...
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2013, 12:12:19 AM »
I seem to recall that portable nuclear power was everywhere in Asimov's Foundation series. It was written in the 50s, of course. when it was thought to be feasible.

Which neatly ties into one of my pet peeves. Isn't it annoying how the people who oppose nuclear power seem to think that it is a technology that cannot be developed further?
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Re: In 1958 Ford was BRAVE...
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2013, 04:05:17 AM »
People who oppose nuclear power are ignorant idiots.

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Re: In 1958 Ford was BRAVE...
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2013, 11:56:51 PM »
Not really. Just uninformed, in my ever-so-humble opinion.

Nuclear plant disasters are highly visible, very dramatic. The Fukushima disaster is a very good example. Get close enough and you will eventually--in a rather short order, actually--glow in the dark and, a couple of years from now, die of cancer or other horrible illnesses. People walk around in space suits when cleaning up, they send robots to move fuel rods, and it is all televised and impossible to ignore when on the news.

Of course people are scared.

But compare it to the slow, invisible death caused by the third world coal plants. That technology is unlikely to evolve into anything safe or clean because of its very nature, but the death it causes is invisible. It is not on television, ever, because there is no drama appreciated by TV networks, nothing driving short-term ratings.

Mind you, I do not support using nuclear power indiscriminately. I would shut down most of the Russian plants if I could, and I'd upgrade quite a few of those in the West. But the world needs power and I don't see any real options.
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Re: In 1958 Ford was BRAVE...
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2013, 04:35:20 AM »
A Swedish nuclear plant can never have a meltdown like a Russian or a Japanese. There are five different security systems, independent from each other. Each will stop the nuclear reaction as soon as it detects any abnormalities. Though people are too stupid to understand this.

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Re: In 1958 Ford was BRAVE...
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2013, 04:21:44 PM »
A Swedish nuclear plant can never have a meltdown like a Russian or a Japanese. There are five different security systems, independent from each other. Each will stop the nuclear reaction as soon as it detects any abnormalities. Though people are too stupid to understand this.

Are they following government regulations in the nuclear plants of Sweden?

Where's the braveness in that.  :orly:
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Re: In 1958 Ford was BRAVE...
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2013, 04:23:47 PM »
The nuclear plants are owned by the state.

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Re: In 1958 Ford was BRAVE...
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2013, 04:26:11 PM »
I was teasing you.  :flyingbat:
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Re: In 1958 Ford was BRAVE...
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2013, 11:59:39 PM »
A Swedish nuclear plant can never have a meltdown like a Russian or a Japanese. There are five different security systems, independent from each other. Each will stop the nuclear reaction as soon as it detects any abnormalities. Though people are too stupid to understand this.

Actually an overheating is entirely possible. The Swedish plants use cooling systems requiring electricity, AFAIK, and, as in the case of Fukushima, a natural disaster could conceivably cause problems after a forced shutdown. The stopping of the reaction is just one part of it; another is to handle the continuing decay of the radioactive material.
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Re: In 1958 Ford was BRAVE...
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2013, 12:01:54 AM »
A Swedish nuclear plant can never have a meltdown like a Russian or a Japanese. There are five different security systems, independent from each other. Each will stop the nuclear reaction as soon as it detects any abnormalities. Though people are too stupid to understand this.

Are they following government regulations in the nuclear plants of Sweden?

Where's the braveness in that.  :orly:

There wouldn't be any nuclear power in an anarchy.
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Re: In 1958 Ford was BRAVE...
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2013, 02:08:16 AM »
A Swedish nuclear plant can never have a meltdown like a Russian or a Japanese. There are five different security systems, independent from each other. Each will stop the nuclear reaction as soon as it detects any abnormalities. Though people are too stupid to understand this.

Are they following government regulations in the nuclear plants of Sweden?

Where's the braveness in that.  :orly:

There wouldn't be any nuclear power in an anarchy.

Au contraire, the nuclear power would be all over the place. With people only following the safety regulations they like to follow.
It would be a radiant community.
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Re: In 1958 Ford was BRAVE...
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2013, 12:03:08 AM »
A Swedish nuclear plant can never have a meltdown like a Russian or a Japanese. There are five different security systems, independent from each other. Each will stop the nuclear reaction as soon as it detects any abnormalities. Though people are too stupid to understand this.

Are they following government regulations in the nuclear plants of Sweden?

Where's the braveness in that.  :orly:

There wouldn't be any nuclear power in an anarchy.

Au contraire, the nuclear power would be all over the place. With people only following the safety regulations they like to follow.
It would be a radiant community.

If you started from a centrally governed society and moved on to an anarchy, there might be nuclear power for a while. I very much doubt an anarchy would be able to build a new one from scratch since the effort to do so is far from insignificant and requires organisation.

Any large-scale project would be beyond them, I suspect, but especially anything requiring advanced technology.
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