Iowa FTW

[bodie]

Whatever 'type'  you think I am,  I can tell you that I am not the type to believe your good self any more than I believe the government.   I am a thinker.   I was only curious as I see quite a few American's who share your viewpoint.   You have given me something to think about.  Thanks.

I can't promise it will change my mind.  All I can do is add it to my ever growing list of things to ponder in my overworked brain.

My mind is my own (and I reserve the right to lose it ) and it may be a bit dippy but I like to keep  it open.


Regarding the training aspect I have to say I disagree and think you should not direct  people to shoot to kill.  Disable only.  A few seconds is not always enough to decide.  Can think of loads of reasons why it may not be a good idea for people to become judge, jury and executioner. 

[McGiver]

On that note:
Ordinary people will do fucked up things when fucked up things become ordinary.

Lets give everybody a gun, promote competition through capitalism and nullify the government and laws.  Volunteerism....what could go wrong?

On that note:
Government is comprised of ordinary people which over time have convinced themselves that they are more. Give ordinary people more and more power, and follow the exact same logic you just used.

The people in our government are not gods, Jag. They are flesh and blood people who shit, lie, and have all the faults of the "ordinary" people you mentioned, because they ARE ordinary people.

Your logic is flawed beyond belief.

huh? More angry and immature jimjam?

[Bastet]

On that note:
Ordinary people will do fucked up things when fucked up things become ordinary.

Lets give everybody a gun, promote competition through capitalism and nullify the government and laws.  Volunteerism....what could go wrong?

On that note:
Government is comprised of ordinary people which over time have convinced themselves that they are more. Give ordinary people more and more power, and follow the exact same logic you just used.

The people in our government are not gods, Jag. They are flesh and blood people who shit, lie, and have all the faults of the "ordinary" people you mentioned, because they ARE ordinary people.

Your logic is flawed beyond belief.

huh? More angry and immature jimjam?

pot and kettle lol

[McGiver]

On that note:
Ordinary people will do fucked up things when fucked up things become ordinary.

Lets give everybody a gun, promote competition through capitalism and nullify the government and laws.  Volunteerism....what could go wrong?

On that note:
Government is comprised of ordinary people which over time have convinced themselves that they are more. Give ordinary people more and more power, and follow the exact same logic you just used.

The people in our government are not gods, Jag. They are flesh and blood people who shit, lie, and have all the faults of the "ordinary" people you mentioned, because they ARE ordinary people.

Your logic is flawed beyond belief.

huh? More angry and immature jimjam?

pot and kettle lol

no. I've matured.  Just look at my name

[TheoK]

Most of what Rage says is correct. I don't see how that is so hard to understand.

[McGiver]

 

Most of what Rage says is correct. I don't see how that is so hard to understand.

cant argue with logic this sound.

[TheoK]

He repeats himself very often and sometimes he is even more conspiratorial than necessary, but all in all he has gotten it right.

[Bastet]

On that note:
Ordinary people will do fucked up things when fucked up things become ordinary.

Lets give everybody a gun, promote competition through capitalism and nullify the government and laws.  Volunteerism....what could go wrong?

On that note:
Government is comprised of ordinary people which over time have convinced themselves that they are more. Give ordinary people more and more power, and follow the exact same logic you just used.

The people in our government are not gods, Jag. They are flesh and blood people who shit, lie, and have all the faults of the "ordinary" people you mentioned, because they ARE ordinary people.

Your logic is flawed beyond belief.

huh? More angry and immature jimjam?

pot and kettle lol

no. I've matured.  Just look at my name

You're both poo flinging babies.

[Pyraxis]

I think that should indeed be part of the training. In this way, the public who wished to own firearms would have the basic skills a soldier is given, and be able to make those quick judgements based on experience. For instance, one would quickly scan an attacker for weapons. If they are armed with a gun, then kill them. If they are armed with anything else, shoot them in the leg or the arms.

That's an excellent point. Thanks for bringing it up.

What ever happened to warning shots? You know, your kid's friend's cue to go "Wait! It's me!"

[TheoK]

In many (most?) countries in Europe it is very hard to legally kill in self-defence. The state monopoly on violence is so important here that it is better - from the state's point of view - that a law-abiding citizen is killed or wounded for life than that a burglar or rapist etc. gets what he deserves.

[Pyraxis]

That's what you get for sending all your violent malcontents to America and Australia. 

[RageBeoulve]

Whatever 'type'  you think I am,  I can tell you that I am not the type to believe your good self any more than I believe the government.   I am a thinker.   I was only curious as I see quite a few American's who share your viewpoint.   You have given me something to think about.  Thanks.

I can't promise it will change my mind.  All I can do is add it to my ever growing list of things to ponder in my overworked brain.

My mind is my own (and I reserve the right to lose it ) and it may be a bit dippy but I like to keep  it open.


Regarding the training aspect I have to say I disagree and think you should not direct  people to shoot to kill.  Disable only.  A few seconds is not always enough to decide.  Can think of loads of reasons why it may not be a good idea for people to become judge, jury and executioner.

There are also situations where shooting to kill could save lives, Bodie. Remember what we discussed earlier, about spotting the really crazy ones? I think a lot more research needs to be done on that.

Whatever 'type'  you think I am,  I can tell you that I am not the type to believe your good self any more than I believe the government.

I do indeed see you as a thinker, and a free mind. That's why I was little surprised that you still seemed to trust your government. The U.K and America have the most corrupt governments on the planet, and i'm sure that now you've begun to give it some thought you'll come to that conclusion. The war on terror will never end, because the terrorists sit in our capitals.

My mind is my own (and I reserve the right to lose it ) and it may be a bit dippy but I like to keep  it open.

Not a thing wrong with that. I wish with everything I've got that people will become more independent thinkers. Plus, the dippy ones are the best. 

[RageBeoulve]

I think that should indeed be part of the training. In this way, the public who wished to own firearms would have the basic skills a soldier is given, and be able to make those quick judgements based on experience. For instance, one would quickly scan an attacker for weapons. If they are armed with a gun, then kill them. If they are armed with anything else, shoot them in the leg or the arms.

That's an excellent point. Thanks for bringing it up.

What ever happened to warning shots? You know, your kid's friend's cue to go "Wait! It's me!"

If someone receives the proper training, they will be able to judge whether or not an attacker is a threat. There should be no need for warning shots. If someone makes the mistake of going for someone with a knife, they should be ready to accept the fact that they may get a hole in their leg.

[RageBeoulve]

On that note:
Ordinary people will do fucked up things when fucked up things become ordinary.

Lets give everybody a gun, promote competition through capitalism and nullify the government and laws.  Volunteerism....what could go wrong?

On that note:
Government is comprised of ordinary people which over time have convinced themselves that they are more. Give ordinary people more and more power, and follow the exact same logic you just used.

The people in our government are not gods, Jag. They are flesh and blood people who shit, lie, and have all the faults of the "ordinary" people you mentioned, because they ARE ordinary people.

Your logic is flawed beyond belief.

huh? More angry and immature jimjam?

Look man, i'm not going to treat you with kid gloves just because you're sensitive. If you can't take reality, try and avoid my threads perhaps? Just a suggestion.

[McGiver]

On that note:
Ordinary people will do fucked up things when fucked up things become ordinary.

Lets give everybody a gun, promote competition through capitalism and nullify the government and laws.  Volunteerism....what could go wrong?

On that note:
Government is comprised of ordinary people which over time have convinced themselves that they are more. Give ordinary people more and more power, and follow the exact same logic you just used.

The people in our government are not gods, Jag. They are flesh and blood people who shit, lie, and have all the faults of the "ordinary" people you mentioned, because they ARE ordinary people.

Your logic is flawed beyond belief.

huh? More angry and immature jimjam?

Look man, i'm not going to treat you with kid gloves just because you're sensitive. If you can't take reality, try and avoid my threads perhaps? Just a suggestion.

look man, good sir, I am not going to take you seriously until you realize that your rhetoric is divisive.  You are concerned about so many things, everything makes you angry.  It's all a distraction.
While you are concerned with (quite frankly) everything, income inequality is growing.  The rich are eating richer and the common person is becoming slaves. 
It's all a distraction to control you.  Income inequality is the real issue.