Iowa FTW

[TheoK]

Maybe he was cold and hungry because he no longer gets his benefit cheque from the government you just overthrown?

 

Or maybe he been porkin your missus because you been too preoccupied polishing your shooter ?

 

Either way I don't think he should be killed.  Seems harsh.

I don't say that anyone should be killed right away, but in your country and mine too victims who defend themselves are often prosecuted. That is outright perverted.

[bodie]

So killing is always wrong? Would it be wrong for Syrian civilians to kill the ones raping, torturing and murdering them? 

I think killing a burglar is wrong.   The death penalty for a burglar?  Is that really fair?  I suppose you will say he forfeited his right to life by stepping on my property!  Where do you draw the line,  someone touches your car or steels your wheel trims?   It just seems dodgy ground. 

There's a difference between the death penalty and killing in self-defense. How do you know if a trespasser is a burglar or a murderer?

As far as I know, self-defense can only be invoked if the person doing the killing is in danger of losing his/her life or suffering serious injury. You can't just shoot people.

I know.  You are talking about playing by the current rules.  I was talking about a hypothetical lit/post revolution type scenario. 

[bodie]

Maybe he was cold and hungry because he no longer gets his benefit cheque from the government you just overthrown?

 

Or maybe he been porkin your missus because you been too preoccupied polishing your shooter ?

 

Either way I don't think he should be killed.  Seems harsh.

I don't say that anyone should be killed right away, but in your country and mine too victims who defend themselves are often prosecuted. That is outright perverted.

I have to agree.  It is ridiculous.

[Semicolon]

So killing is always wrong? Would it be wrong for Syrian civilians to kill the ones raping, torturing and murdering them? 

I think killing a burglar is wrong.   The death penalty for a burglar?  Is that really fair?  I suppose you will say he forfeited his right to life by stepping on my property!  Where do you draw the line,  someone touches your car or steels your wheel trims?   It just seems dodgy ground. 

There's a difference between the death penalty and killing in self-defense. How do you know if a trespasser is a burglar or a murderer?

As far as I know, self-defense can only be invoked if the person doing the killing is in danger of losing his/her life or suffering serious injury. You can't just shoot people.

I know.  You are talking about playing by the current rules.  I was talking about a hypothetical lit/post revolution type scenario.

You didn't say that we were playing by Lit's post-revolution rules.

[Adam]

The military has shot on the people, and you don't understand why the people should be able to defend itself?

Again, how do you think you are going to defend yourself against THE MILITARY?

In an anarchy people would understand that they should cooperate so that no one could ever get a monopoly on violence again.

And that is not how human society works. Which shows how little YOU know about anyting.

[Adam]

Absolutey wrong. The first "tools" were mostly pointy sticks and chipped rocks. Cavemen used these to kill each other and animals. Your precious guns aren't tools argument is not going to hold up, Adam. You're not getting away with it here.

I said kitchen knives aren't PRIMARY WEAPONS. Not that knives weren't used as weapons. Lol, what is it with people on here trying to give me lessons in caveman life lately?

Now.. who is trying to ban everything? Certainly not me. I'm actually trying to analyze the problems we face today and suggest real solutions. Your crowd seems content with throwing everything they don't like in jail and never talking about it again.

Like the church used to do.

I am against gun ownership so that means I'm "throwing everything I don't like in jail and never talking about it again"?

What?
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[TheoK]

Again, how do you think you are going to defend yourself against THE MILITARY?

With military weapons and guerilla warfare. Take out high officers with snipers etc.

And that is not how human society works. Which shows how little YOU know about anyting.

No, Modern Times worked fine until the civil war destroyed it. It is the state that makes people egoistic, short-sighted etc.

[Adam]

They have in Europe too. Yet Adam doesn't want that in his comfortable zone.

Yeah, sure. Because obviously what I'm saying is that everything in Europe is GREAT AND PERFECT...

Yet you think that you can vote away the wrongs...

Lit, I've noticed you seem to keep putting words in my mouth and then replying to those words you put there.

Yes, the right to vote is more important to me than the "right" to own a gun. It's not perfect, but it sue as hell makes more sense than your childish anarchy ideas.

[TheoK]

I am against gun ownership so that means I'm "throwing everything I don't like in jail and never talking about it again"?

What?

Being against gun ownership is a fundamental wrong, unless you are against the state too owning guns.

[Adam]

I am against gun ownership so that means I'm "throwing everything I don't like in jail and never talking about it again"?

What?

Being against gun ownership is a fundamental wrong, unless you are against the state too owning guns.

Well clearly we disagree on that one

[TheoK]

Lit, I've noticed you seem to keep putting words in my mouth and then replying to those words you put there.

Because you are so predictable. Already in the next sentence you prove me right...

Yes, the right to vote is more important to me than the "right" to own a gun. It's not perfect, but it sue as hell makes more sense than your childish anarchy ideas.

"Childish" is to think that you can vote away psychopaths who have a monopoly on violence or that you can make them behave like decent people.

[Adam]

Again, how do you think you are going to defend yourself against THE MILITARY?

With military weapons and guerilla warfare. Take out high officers with snipers etc.

So we all have the same weapons the military has? We can all just go out and by fucking missiles?

[TheoK]

I am against gun ownership so that means I'm "throwing everything I don't like in jail and never talking about it again"?

What?

Being against gun ownership is a fundamental wrong, unless you are against the state too owning guns.

Well clearly we disagree on that one

You can see in Syria what could happen in the UK too, but you obvisously want that, since you want to be sure that you can't defend yourself.

[Adam]

Lit, I've noticed you seem to keep putting words in my mouth and then replying to those words you put there.

Because you are so predictable.

Obviously I'm not as predictable as you think I am, given how many times you seem to think I've said something I obviously haven't said.

[Adam]

I am against gun ownership so that means I'm "throwing everything I don't like in jail and never talking about it again"?

What?

Being against gun ownership is a fundamental wrong, unless you are against the state too owning guns.

Well clearly we disagree on that one

You can see in Syria what could happen in the UK too, but you obvisously want that, since you want to be sure that you can't defend yourself.

I think our current government are cunts, but I don't think they're going to start shooting us or gassing us.