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[Semicolon]

So you believe that autistics lack Theory of Mind?

Good question. I accept that it is the scientific consensus. Personally, I don't feel like I lack it but I accept that I might based on my real life social interactions.

The single consensus that I know of for autism is that the rate of diagnosis is radically increasing. There are a few problems with the Theory of Mind angle, and I don't believe that there's a consensus about it. I am behind on the literature, though.

[Player]

So you believe that autistics lack Theory of Mind?

Good question. I accept that it is the scientific consensus. Personally, I don't feel like I lack it but I accept that I might based on my real life social interactions.

The single consensus that I know of for autism is that the rate of diagnosis is radically increasing. There are a few problems with the Theory of Mind angle, and I don't believe that there's a consensus about it. I am behind on the literature, though.

Actually you're right there is no consensus; it's the perception i get from literature/media I've come across about ASD. Do you believe autistics are deficient (better word than "lack" imo) in ToM compared to NT's? What do you think is the biggest problem with the theory?

[Semicolon]

So you believe that autistics lack Theory of Mind?

Good question. I accept that it is the scientific consensus. Personally, I don't feel like I lack it but I accept that I might based on my real life social interactions.

The single consensus that I know of for autism is that the rate of diagnosis is radically increasing. There are a few problems with the Theory of Mind angle, and I don't believe that there's a consensus about it. I am behind on the literature, though.

Actually you're right there is no consensus; it's the perception i get from literature/media I've come across about ASD. Do you believe autistics are deficient (better word than "lack" imo) in ToM compared to NT's? What do you think is the biggest problem with the theory?

As I recall, the basis of the supposition was a study that reported that autistic children lag behind their classmates in passing the Sally-Anne Test. Things got started there. The biggest problem is the lack of empirical support for impairment across the lifespan.

Correct me if I'm wrong about the history.

[Jack]

As I recall, the basis of the supposition was a study that reported that autistic children lag behind their classmates in passing the Sally-Anne Test. Things got started there. The biggest problem is the lack of empirical support for impairment across the lifespan.

Correct me if I'm wrong about the history.

An additional complication of theory of mind, in some autistics, is alexithymia. Can't imagine someone who can't understand their own feelings, being expected to truly understand others.

[Jack]

"Lack of theory of mind" is no excuse to justify it.

You're new here, and maybe don't realize how well the members actually get along. There's possibly some seemingly harsh things you've been reading, not realizing it's playful banter among genuine friends. There's some genuine harshness too, but everyone has their good and bad. You joined at a time when some people were very upset. You ask why are so many aspies trolls; why not ask why so many aren't? If you don't like the trolls, then avoid them. There's plenty of members who aren't.

[Jesse]

I hope you stick around Player. this website while at times can be pretty harsh, is the best thing happening. I'm certain everyone gets along just well nice here, but at times do have arguments.

Just bust out the popcorn, watch. join in, or simply not give a fuck and do your own thing

I love the free speech here. you wont find many places for us aspies online to go to look at porn, talk about shit and let lose as it were

 

[Player]

"Lack of theory of mind" is no excuse to justify it.

You're new here, and maybe don't realize how well the members actually get along. There's possibly some seemingly harsh things you've been reading, not realizing it's playful banter among genuine friends. There's some genuine harshness too, but everyone has their good and bad. You joined at a time when some people were very upset. You ask why are so many aspies trolls; why not ask why so many aren't? If you don't like the trolls, then avoid them. There's plenty of members who aren't.

I hope you're right. I actually don't mind the insults banter as it's all fun and games. (Btw I could do with some practice if anyone is up for some in another thread or chat?  )
Upset because of AFF?
When you say "genuine friends" - are these exclusively Internet friends or have people met each other in real life meetups and socialize outside of the net?

[Player]

I hope you stick around Player. this website while at times can be pretty harsh, is the best thing happening. I'm certain everyone gets along just well nice here, but at times do have arguments.

Just bust out the popcorn, watch. join in, or simply not give a fuck and do your own thing

I love the free speech here. you wont find many places for us aspies online to go to look at porn, talk about shit and let lose as it were

 

This is the most unique aspie forum I have come across.

[Gopher Gary]

Lol - the question does come across trollish doesn't it? 

You're obviously a narcissistic troll. I like your style. 

Lack of theory of mind" is no excuse to justify it.

I'm not justifying anything. I'm telling you that you're not really a narcissist, and neither is anyone else here.

According to Wikipedia, "Theory of mind (often abbreviated "ToM") is the ability to attribute mental states—beliefs, intents, desires, pretending, knowledge, etc.—to oneself and others and to understand that others have beliefs, desires, and intentions that are different from one's own." Aspies struggle in the real world when you have to apply ToM quickly, as in a live conversation. But on internet forums, when you have time to digest information, you should be able to apply it pretty well.

Stop barfing Wikipedia like I'm a moron. 

Not all aspies come across as cunts on the net - explain that? 

I'm still trying to figure out what being a cunt has to do with narcissism. Explain that first. 

If aspies miraculously became good at ToM in real life, then we'd get different personalities. This forum would probably proportionally have more narcissists and sociopaths than other aspie forums I think.

Well, feel free to identify with those people if you like, but fuck you for painting the membership of autistic forums with your shitty brush.  If you like to fancy yourself as a narcissistic psychopath, then you should read Fitzgerald. I think he's a motherfucker, but you might like him. Maybe you can assist him in spreading the word to all the NTs. I'm not saying there aren't autistics with co-morbid personality disorders, but to confuse or combine the two is a disservice to autism.

[Semicolon]

"Lack of theory of mind" is no excuse to justify it.

You're new here, and maybe don't realize how well the members actually get along. There's possibly some seemingly harsh things you've been reading, not realizing it's playful banter among genuine friends. There's some genuine harshness too, but everyone has their good and bad. You joined at a time when some people were very upset. You ask why are so many aspies trolls; why not ask why so many aren't? If you don't like the trolls, then avoid them. There's plenty of members who aren't.

I hope you're right. I actually don't mind the insults banter as it's all fun and games. (Btw I could do with some practice if anyone is up for some in another thread or chat?  )
Upset because of AFF?
When you say "genuine friends" - are these exclusively Internet friends or have people met each other in real life meetups and socialize outside of the net?

Some keep it online. Some know each other offline. Some have met in person. Almost everyone has contact with other members outside of I2.

Jack is right.

[Jack]

When you say "genuine friends" - are these exclusively Internet friends or have people met each other in real life meetups and socialize outside of the net?

Don't pity me, but my friends are here. Guess that makes you my cool new friend. You should stick around.

[conlang returns]

In other news, Llamas with hats

[odeon]

"Lack of theory of mind" is no excuse to justify it.

You're new here, and maybe don't realize how well the members actually get along. There's possibly some seemingly harsh things you've been reading, not realizing it's playful banter among genuine friends. There's some genuine harshness too, but everyone has their good and bad. You joined at a time when some people were very upset. You ask why are so many aspies trolls; why not ask why so many aren't? If you don't like the trolls, then avoid them. There's plenty of members who aren't.

Says the master troll. 

[Player]

Well, feel free to identify with those people if you like, but fuck you for painting the membership of autistic forums with your shitty brush.  If you like to fancy yourself as a narcissistic psychopath, then you should read Fitzgerald. I think he's a motherfucker, but you might like him. Maybe you can assist him in spreading the word to all the NTs. I'm not saying there aren't autistics with co-morbid personality disorders, but to confuse or combine the two is a disservice to autism.

I think I touched a nerve with that comment. It's an insensitive comment but I've been led to believe this forum is not for the sensitive types 

It's just an opinion I'm throwing out there to see if others might agree or not. From the replies I got it seems I might have got it wrong.

[Jack]

The narcissism is one thing, but calling the membership psychos is pretty trollish. Are you a troll?