Agenda 21

[Beardy McFuckface]

I don't see why it can't provide national healthcare similar to the NHS. Obamacare seems to be a step in the right direction, but why arse it up with it being insurance based? Surely it can be provided with taxation alone?

Over here they only give free healthcare depending on your financial status. If you've a bit of money, prepared for a world of pain in terms of costs. Even if you are poor, recent changes means that they have to pay for drug collection levies from chemists, dental appointments after so many visits a year etc.

Not to mention the healthcare here is atrocious (one of the lowest in Europe), with understaffed hospitals that are often really crowded, ill equipped and the number of them being too small (and getting smaller still due to the incompetent government giving a horribly small budget to healthcare) to serve the amount of people needed.

As much as people complain about the NHS over in the UK, it's a FAR better system. It's a shame to see the Tories trying to privatise it, especially with the amount of people who rely on it.

[TheoK]

The Swedish healthcare has been much better, but you still pay at most 1100 kronor for visits to a doctor and 1900 kronor for medication within a year. Dentist visits are more expensive. I should actually get it very cheap being an Aspie, but the authorities in town don't follow the law. Since I don't need a "support person" or crap like that I'm considered "too sane" to get really cheap dental care (about 100 kronor for everything within a year) although I'm on lifetime disability

[Beardy McFuckface]

I get it for free due to being on disability allowance, but the service is atrocious so I end up barely using it.

[El]

Obamamcare still seems like a very good idea in theory, which is being implemented shittily in practice.

Explain.

Honestly, I need to do more research, myself (this is a time/energy issue on my part); I've more gotten the general impression that there's lots of cracks people are falling through.  I think it is also going to vary state-by-state how it impact people.  It may make Massachusetts shittier because we already *had* pretty good healthcare (though we tax the hell out of ourselves to get it); it seems likely to be becoming more expensive here for people who can't afford it to be, and I'm pretty sure managed care is going to become more heavily "managed" (services are already more difficult to get authorization for, though that may have happened over time anyway- all this healthcare is expensive, and the state's been badly overbudget for awhile.  The stupidity of where it makes its cuts is a different issue but also an obnoxious one).  It may, however, mean that my friends in neighboring states who haven't seen doctors in years actually start fucking getting the help they need, which would be fantastic.

[Adam]

I agree with schleed. People complain about the NHS here, but we would never want to lose it - just improve it.

And the Tories are destroying it with little mention from the mainstream media. People are too fucking stupid to realise what's going on right under their noses as, like bodie said elsewhere, people pretty much view free healthcare as a right here. People who don't pay much attention and don't understand politics don't realise that that is under threat, because it's almost unimaginable to lose the NHS.

Remember bruce? (lol)

He was a prime example. Had no idea the NHS was even being changed, never mind sold off altogether.

[RageBeoulve]

I will never stop opposing ways of making the government more powerful. I will never stop opposing the shitface federal government trying to force me to pay for the healthcare of someone who just sits on their ass and gets drunk all day.

NO.

[Beardy McFuckface]

Until you need it yourself, that is. You would be grateful for not having to pay extortionate hospital bills.

[RageBeoulve]

Until you need it yourself, that is. You would be grateful for not having to pay extortionate hospital bills.

I'd rather die than burden my fellow man. If I actually WAS disabled and needed disability, then fine. I'd take it. Otherwise, I can do things my goddamn self.

[Parts]

Until you need it yourself, that is. You would be grateful for not having to pay extortionate hospital bills.

I'd rather die than burden my fellow man. If I actually WAS disabled and needed disability, then fine. I'd take it. Otherwise, I can do things my goddamn self.

So this is where you would turn for a bad appendix?  http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080305201022AA4PMhl

[RageBeoulve]

Until you need it yourself, that is. You would be grateful for not having to pay extortionate hospital bills.

I'd rather die than burden my fellow man. If I actually WAS disabled and needed disability, then fine. I'd take it. Otherwise, I can do things my goddamn self.

So this is where you would turn for a bad appendix?  http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080305201022AA4PMhl

Nope. I'd rather put myself in debt than burden my fellow man. Personal responsibility.

[TheoK]

There was this Roman guy 2000 years ago, Cato the Younger. He fought Caesar. Ceasar wanted to show him mercy though, but he was so proud that he didn't want to accept that, so he cut himself in the stomach. His family asked their medicus to put his guts in place again and fix the wound, but then Cato pulled all his guts out and died immediately 

[RageBeoulve]

There was this Roman guy 2000 years ago, Cato the Younger. He fought Caesar. Ceasar wanted to show him mercy though, but he was so proud that he didn't want to accept that, so he cut himself in the stomach. His family asked their medicus to put his guts in place again and fix the wound, but then Cato pulled all his guts out and died immediately 

Yep that's me. Although in my case its probably pride and stubbornness rather than nobility.

[Beardy McFuckface]

Pride is blind.

[RageBeoulve]

Pride is blind.

Personal responsibility, is not. I refuse to support actions which allow my fellow Americans to become a bunch of titty babies.

[odeon]

Did you read my first sentence?

I did.