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Egypts government falls to a coup
« on: July 03, 2013, 04:57:13 PM »
The Egyptian Army is carrying out a "full military coup" and the army has placed a travel ban on the country's embattled President Mohamed Morsi, officials said.

The action came at the end of the 48 hours Egypt's military gave Morsi two days ago to answer the demands of protesters who have filled the country's streets in recent days.

The streets of Cairo was jammed again today, this time with competing throngs of pro- and anti-Morsi protesters.

In a statement posted on the Egyptian Presidency Facebook page, Essam El-Haddad, Egypt's national security adviser called the on-going situation "a full military coup," and warned that it will only lead to more violence.

"Today only one thing matters. In this day and age no military coup can succeed in the face of sizeable popular force without considerable bloodshed. Who among you is ready to shoulder that blame?" he wrote.

Live Updates: Military Coup Under Way

"There are still people in Egypt who believe in their right to make a democratic choice. Hundreds of thousands of them have gathered in support of democracy and the presidency. And they will not leave in the face of this attack. To move them, there will have to be violence. It will either come from the army, the police, or the hired mercenaries. Either way there will be considerable bloodshed. And the message will resonate throughout the Muslim World loud and clear: democracy is not for Muslims," El-Ha

Scenes in Egypt have been reminiscent of Egypt's "Arab Spring" more than two years ago, which overthrew dictator Hosni Mubarak. Hundreds of thousands of Egyptians have again taken to the streets over the last few days, protesting Morsi's rule after one year in office and demanding that he step down. While most of the protests have been peaceful, there have been incidents of violence. At least 35 people have been killed, many during a gun battle at Cairo University on Tuesday night.

The military issued a statement two days ago warning Morsi that he must do something about the unrest or it will take action, setting up a showdown between the country's first democratically elected president and the powerful military.

On Tuesday, Morsi gave a defiant statement in response, vowing that any attempt by the army to take over would "lead to civil war." He said he would not step down, even if it cost him his life.

"If the price for safeguarding legitimacy is my blood, then I am prepared to sacrifice my blood for the cause of safety and legitimacy of this homeland," he told the country. "Do not be fooled. Do not fall into the trap. Do not abandon this legitimacy. I am the guardian of this legitimacy."

As the clock began ticking the Obama administration scrambled to respond to the growing conflict. From Tanzania on Tuesday, President Obama called Morsi and urged him to take steps to contain the situation, reminding the Egyptian president that while the United States is committed to the democratic process in Egypt, competency must play a role.

"Democracy is about more than elections; it is also about ensuring that the voices of all Egyptians are heard and represented by their government, including the many Egyptians demonstrating throughout the country," said a statement released by the White House reading out Obama's call with Morsi.

Secretary of State John Kerry, who has just returned from a Mideast trip, also placed a call to Egypt's Foreign Minister Mohamed Kamel Amir, who reportedly resigned from Morsi's cabinet on Tuesday.

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel has also spoken to his counterpart in Egypt, Pentagon spokesman George Little confirms.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/egyp...d=19568447


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Re: Egypts government falls to a coup
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2013, 05:02:25 PM »
The Christians believe that he who rises up out of he east and brings peace to the world will be he anti Christ.
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Re: Egypts government falls to a coup
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2013, 06:54:48 PM »
Xtians have been predicting the (lolz) antichrist, and the apocalypse for millenia with no more results than any other religion amongst the tens thousands or hundreds of thousands out there to be an idiot for.
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Re: Egypts government falls to a coup
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2013, 07:02:03 PM »
Xtians have been predicting the (lolz) antichrist, and the apocalypse for millenia with no more results than any other religion amongst the tens thousands or hundreds of thousands out there to be an idiot for.


My mother is Satan, I am the antichrist. The bible has always been sexist and misogynistic.
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Re: Egypts government falls to a coup
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2013, 07:09:48 PM »
The Egyptian Army is carrying out a "full military coup" and the army has placed a travel ban on the country's embattled President Mohamed Morsi, officials said.

The action came at the end of the 48 hours Egypt's military gave Morsi two days ago to answer the demands of protesters who have filled the country's streets in recent days.

The streets of Cairo was jammed again today, this time with competing throngs of pro- and anti-Morsi protesters.

In a statement posted on the Egyptian Presidency Facebook page, Essam El-Haddad, Egypt's national security adviser called the on-going situation "a full military coup," and warned that it will only lead to more violence.

"Today only one thing matters. In this day and age no military coup can succeed in the face of sizeable popular force without considerable bloodshed. Who among you is ready to shoulder that blame?" he wrote.

Live Updates: Military Coup Under Way

"There are still people in Egypt who believe in their right to make a democratic choice. Hundreds of thousands of them have gathered in support of democracy and the presidency. And they will not leave in the face of this attack. To move them, there will have to be violence. It will either come from the army, the police, or the hired mercenaries. Either way there will be considerable bloodshed. And the message will resonate throughout the Muslim World loud and clear: democracy is not for Muslims," El-Ha

Scenes in Egypt have been reminiscent of Egypt's "Arab Spring" more than two years ago, which overthrew dictator Hosni Mubarak. Hundreds of thousands of Egyptians have again taken to the streets over the last few days, protesting Morsi's rule after one year in office and demanding that he step down. While most of the protests have been peaceful, there have been incidents of violence. At least 35 people have been killed, many during a gun battle at Cairo University on Tuesday night.

The military issued a statement two days ago warning Morsi that he must do something about the unrest or it will take action, setting up a showdown between the country's first democratically elected president and the powerful military.

On Tuesday, Morsi gave a defiant statement in response, vowing that any attempt by the army to take over would "lead to civil war." He said he would not step down, even if it cost him his life.

"If the price for safeguarding legitimacy is my blood, then I am prepared to sacrifice my blood for the cause of safety and legitimacy of this homeland," he told the country. "Do not be fooled. Do not fall into the trap. Do not abandon this legitimacy. I am the guardian of this legitimacy."

As the clock began ticking the Obama administration scrambled to respond to the growing conflict. From Tanzania on Tuesday, President Obama called Morsi and urged him to take steps to contain the situation, reminding the Egyptian president that while the United States is committed to the democratic process in Egypt, competency must play a role.

"Democracy is about more than elections; it is also about ensuring that the voices of all Egyptians are heard and represented by their government, including the many Egyptians demonstrating throughout the country," said a statement released by the White House reading out Obama's call with Morsi.

Secretary of State John Kerry, who has just returned from a Mideast trip, also placed a call to Egypt's Foreign Minister Mohamed Kamel Amir, who reportedly resigned from Morsi's cabinet on Tuesday.

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel has also spoken to his counterpart in Egypt, Pentagon spokesman George Little confirms.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/egyp...d=19568447


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I like how our government and media calls it a "coup". It was a revolution. I've spoken with quite a few Egyptian people about this.
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Re: Egypts government falls to a coup
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2013, 07:27:21 PM »
The Egyptian Army is carrying out a "full military coup" and the army has placed a travel ban on the country's embattled President Mohamed Morsi, officials said.

The action came at the end of the 48 hours Egypt's military gave Morsi two days ago to answer the demands of protesters who have filled the country's streets in recent days.

The streets of Cairo was jammed again today, this time with competing throngs of pro- and anti-Morsi protesters.

In a statement posted on the Egyptian Presidency Facebook page, Essam El-Haddad, Egypt's national security adviser called the on-going situation "a full military coup," and warned that it will only lead to more violence.

"Today only one thing matters. In this day and age no military coup can succeed in the face of sizeable popular force without considerable bloodshed. Who among you is ready to shoulder that blame?" he wrote.

Live Updates: Military Coup Under Way

"There are still people in Egypt who believe in their right to make a democratic choice. Hundreds of thousands of them have gathered in support of democracy and the presidency. And they will not leave in the face of this attack. To move them, there will have to be violence. It will either come from the army, the police, or the hired mercenaries. Either way there will be considerable bloodshed. And the message will resonate throughout the Muslim World loud and clear: democracy is not for Muslims," El-Ha

Scenes in Egypt have been reminiscent of Egypt's "Arab Spring" more than two years ago, which overthrew dictator Hosni Mubarak. Hundreds of thousands of Egyptians have again taken to the streets over the last few days, protesting Morsi's rule after one year in office and demanding that he step down. While most of the protests have been peaceful, there have been incidents of violence. At least 35 people have been killed, many during a gun battle at Cairo University on Tuesday night.

The military issued a statement two days ago warning Morsi that he must do something about the unrest or it will take action, setting up a showdown between the country's first democratically elected president and the powerful military.

On Tuesday, Morsi gave a defiant statement in response, vowing that any attempt by the army to take over would "lead to civil war." He said he would not step down, even if it cost him his life.

"If the price for safeguarding legitimacy is my blood, then I am prepared to sacrifice my blood for the cause of safety and legitimacy of this homeland," he told the country. "Do not be fooled. Do not fall into the trap. Do not abandon this legitimacy. I am the guardian of this legitimacy."

As the clock began ticking the Obama administration scrambled to respond to the growing conflict. From Tanzania on Tuesday, President Obama called Morsi and urged him to take steps to contain the situation, reminding the Egyptian president that while the United States is committed to the democratic process in Egypt, competency must play a role.

"Democracy is about more than elections; it is also about ensuring that the voices of all Egyptians are heard and represented by their government, including the many Egyptians demonstrating throughout the country," said a statement released by the White House reading out Obama's call with Morsi.

Secretary of State John Kerry, who has just returned from a Mideast trip, also placed a call to Egypt's Foreign Minister Mohamed Kamel Amir, who reportedly resigned from Morsi's cabinet on Tuesday.

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel has also spoken to his counterpart in Egypt, Pentagon spokesman George Little confirms.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/egyp...d=19568447


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I like how our government and media calls it a "coup". It was a revolution. I've spoken with quite a few Egyptian people about this.

I think they use that term because the existing military took power not some peoples army
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Re: Egypts government falls to a coup
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2013, 07:29:20 PM »
The people from Egypt I spoke with see that very differently. They think that our government calls it a coup in order to make it seem as though their government was being attacked by criminals. They are very upset about it, actually.
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Re: Egypts government falls to a coup
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2013, 07:43:08 PM »
I am sure that has something to do with it also.  Just hope it all ends well, it's a place I would love to visit but the violence and religious extremists kind of make it a no go.  My mother went in the 90's and loved it
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Re: Egypts government falls to a coup
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2013, 08:32:35 PM »
One thing I do know is, I hope our country the USA stays out of it. I also hope the radical elements of Islam leave the pyramids alone and don't try to destroy arecheological wonders of the world for the rest of us.
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Re: Egypts government falls to a coup
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2013, 09:04:54 AM »
One thing I do know is, I hope our country the USA stays out of it. I also hope the radical elements of Islam leave the pyramids alone and don't try to destroy arecheological wonders of the world for the rest of us.

The U.S. has already interfered. They are also upset about that.  :LOL:
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Re: Egypts government falls to a coup
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2013, 09:14:54 AM »
One thing I do know is, I hope our country the USA stays out of it. I also hope the radical elements of Islam leave the pyramids alone and don't try to destroy arecheological wonders of the world for the rest of us.

The U.S. has already interfered. They are also upset about that.  :LOL:

Can't please 'em all.

That's always gonna be a problem. Tons of Germans opposed Hitler (he eliminated or frightened them to silence), lots of Americans oppose the currect gvt, who ever is in the current gvt. People are almost always 50/50 on most matters, except the majority of these issues aren't necesarily gonna be life-and-death questions, so we don't often notice how naturally divided we are.

Try to hang out with a youth politics group. You'll see, like pick ONE party :D Maybe it's easyer in Norway, since have more than two active parties (lel) but you'd think that inside that, one, particular party, they'd agree? Nope. In fact, they disagree SO MUCH that in every party there's always room for splinter-parties, who care SO MUCH about their one disagreement, they cannot bear to remain with the others, whom they agree 99,9% with.

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Re: Egypts government falls to a coup
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2013, 09:17:05 AM »
One thing I do know is, I hope our country the USA stays out of it. I also hope the radical elements of Islam leave the pyramids alone and don't try to destroy arecheological wonders of the world for the rest of us.

The U.S. has already interfered. They are also upset about that.  :LOL:

Can't please 'em all.

That's always gonna be a problem. Tons of Germans opposed Hitler (he eliminated or frightened them to silence), lots of Americans oppose the currect gvt, who ever is in the current gvt. People are almost always 50/50 on most matters, except the majority of these issues aren't necesarily gonna be life-and-death questions, so we don't often notice how naturally divided we are.

Try to hang out with a youth politics group. You'll see, like pick ONE party :D Maybe it's easyer in Norway, since have more than two active parties (lel) but you'd think that inside that, one, particular party, they'd agree? Nope. In fact, they disagree SO MUCH that in every party there's always room for splinter-parties, who care SO MUCH about their one disagreement, they cannot bear to remain with the others, whom they agree 99,9% with.

Egyptians HATE morsi, dude. That I can be sure of.
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Re: Egypts government falls to a coup
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2013, 10:01:12 AM »
The people from Egypt I spoke with see that very differently. They think that our government calls it a coup in order to make it seem as though their government was being attacked by criminals. They are very upset about it, actually.

It is a benevolent coup, still a coup. If soldiers do it, be they alturistic or cruel, it will be defined as a military coup. Semantics. I do however agree with you that the attitudes that follow, are very based in the official political line of whatever ruling gvt.

Look at international reactions to certain world events, and spot the differences, it's quite interesting.
Latin-American countries tend to respond to terrorist actions with words as "we grieve" "losses" "pain" "injured" "families"
while west-European and Americans use words like "condemn" "cowardly act" "justice"
these aren't coincidences

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Re: Egypts government falls to a coup
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2013, 10:04:10 AM »
The people from Egypt I spoke with see that very differently. They think that our government calls it a coup in order to make it seem as though their government was being attacked by criminals. They are very upset about it, actually.

It is a benevolent coup, still a coup. If soldiers do it, be they alturistic or cruel, it will be defined as a military coup. Semantics. I do however agree with you that the attitudes that follow, are very based in the official political line of whatever ruling gvt.

Look at international reactions to certain world events, and spot the differences, it's quite interesting.
Latin-American countries tend to respond to terrorist actions with words as "we grieve" "losses" "pain" "injured" "families"
while west-European and Americans use words like "condemn" "cowardly act" "justice"
these aren't coincidences

Indeed. Revolution is the word used by Egyptians to describe this event. They hate morsi with a passion.
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I am the passion; I am the warfare.
I will never stop...
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Re: Egypts government falls to a coup
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2013, 11:44:14 AM »