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« on: March 30, 2013, 05:17:29 PM »
A real life Troll...........

U.S. Defense officials: North Korean threats are 'bellicose rhetoric'

Seoul, South Korea (CNN) -- North Korea's threatening rhetoric has reached a fever pitch, but the Pentagon and the South Korean government have said it's nothing new.

"We have no indications at this point that it's anything more than warmongering rhetoric," a senior Washington Defense official said late Friday.

The official was not authorized to speak to the media and asked not to be named.

State media: North Korea in 'state of war' with South

The National Security Council, which advises the U.S. president on matters of war, struck a similar cord. Washington finds North Korea's statements "unconstructive," and it does take the threats seriously.

But, we would also note that North Korea has a long history of bellicose rhetoric and threats, and today's announcement follows that familiar pattern," said Caitlin Hayden, a spokeswoman for the security council.

The United States will continue to update its capabilities against any military threat from the North, which includes plans to deploy missile defense systems.

No, North Korea can't hit Hawaii

North Korea's hot rhetoric

Pyongyang's propaganda machine flung new insults at the United States on Saturday.

It compared the U.S. mainland with a "boiled pumpkin," unable to endure an attack from a foreign foe, the state-run Korean Central News Agency reported.

North Korea, on the other hand, could sustain an offensive from the outside, the report said. It claimed the government had built shelters around the country "against any enemy nuclear and chemical weapons attack."

The rhetoric and military show of force by the North have heated up in the face of annual joint military exercise between South Korean and U.S. forces called Foal Eagle.

The routine maneuvers are carried out in accordance with the armistice that put an end to armed hostilities in 1953.

There was no peace treaty to officially end the war.

North Korea's threat: Five things to know

The North Korean government declared the armistice invalid on March 11, 10 days after Foal Eagle began. It is something Pyongyang has done before during heightened tensions.

In an added slap, North Korea has declared that it had entered a "state of war" with neighboring South Korea, according to a report Saturday from the state-run Korean Central News Agency.

"The condition, which was neither war nor peace, has ended," North Korea's government said in a special statement carried by KCNA.

Saturday's reports also asserted any conflict "will not be limited to a local war, but develop into an all-out war, a nuclear war."

The statements made the prospect of war contingent upon "a military provocation ... against the DPRK" in sensitive areas on the border between North and South.

Analysis: Just what is Kim Jong Un up to?

The South: It's not new

South Korea has not treated its neighbor's latest threat as imminent danger.

Seoul noted scores of its personnel had entered the Kaesong Industrial Complex -- a joint economic cooperation zone between the two Koreas situated on the North's side of the border -- on Saturday morning. Hundreds more were set to join them later in the day, seeming to suggest both sides were going about business as usual.

South officials said that North threats to shut down the complex are part of the North's "measures of putting military alert to highest level," but the South was taking the North's words "seriously," the South Korean Unification Ministry Press Office said.

The threats aren't "beneficial" to the development of the economic zone, the South ministry said. Currently, 310 people work in the industrial complex, the ministry said.

"Our government takes the situation seriously and is prioritizing the safety of our people in Kaesong industrial complex. Our position to maintain stability of Kaesong Industrial Complex remains unchanged," the press office said.

The South hasn't detected, however, any "irregular trend" in the zone, the ministry said.

On Saturday, North Korea attacked that sense of normalcy, questioning the future of the cooperation.

"The entry into the Kaesong Industrial Zone by the south side's personnel has been put in jeopardy," KCNA reported.

The communist government accused Seoul of insulting its dignity with assertions that North Korea would not end the cooperation, because it would be too afraid of losing the revenue it brings.

Pyongyang's declaration it was readying its missiles also did not seem to worry officials in the South.

"The announcement made by North Korea is not a new threat, but part of follow-up measures after North Korea's supreme command's statement that it will enter the highest military alert" on Tuesday, South Korea's Unification Ministry said ..............

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/30/world/asia/north-korea-us-threats/index.html


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Re: A real life Troll...........
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2013, 05:20:36 PM »
It's gonna be interesting to see.
This whole thing is like a mix of new events and "same old"

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« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2013, 06:00:13 PM »
The 'cry wolf' effect applied to this topic is a bit disturbing.

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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2013, 07:18:08 PM »
I like vicodin and anal fisting.

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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2013, 07:20:20 PM »
The 'cry wolf' effect applied to this topic is a bit disturbing.

In what way?

It's not like it's commonplace for neighboring countries to threaten nuclear war left and right, so this shouldn't be taken lightly, even if it has turned into a sortof tragicomical tradition.
The other thing I notice - especially with Americans - is that they tend to check how much of a danger NK poses to America, calculate that the danger is almost non-existent, and then go "relax everyone, they are of no danger to anybody important!" leaving South Korea with a frustrated-face.

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Re: A real life Troll...........
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2013, 07:52:58 PM »
I like vicodin and anal fisting.

Different strokes for different folks
I2 today is not i2 of yesteryear. It is a knitting circle. Those that participate be they nice or asshats know their place and the price to be there. Odeon is the overlord

.Benevolent if you toe the line.

Think it is I2 of old? Even Odeon is not so delusional as to think otherwise. He may on occasionally pretend otherwise but his base is that knitting circle.

Censoring/banning/restricting/moderating myself, Calanadale & Scrapheap were all not his finest moments.

How to apologise to Scrap

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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2013, 07:56:31 PM »

In what way?

Oh, certainly it's all under control, and if not, then still out of mine. It was just odd thinking of this particular situation in those terms. Weird moment.

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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2013, 08:24:40 PM »

In what way?

Oh, certainly it's all under control, and if not, then still out of mine. It was just odd thinking of this particular situation in those terms. Weird moment.

It is a "live situation", that little "PR stunt" NK did 3 years ago left around 10 dead + 50 wounded, and that was "pure theatrics". It's not a matter of nukes or armageddon, but just the clash of two countries that consist of just people. Like any country, in any war.
People are too damn flippant about wars :I

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« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2013, 07:45:13 AM »
Agreed.

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« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2013, 08:01:32 AM »
The 'cry wolf' effect applied to this topic is a bit disturbing.

In what way?

It's not like it's commonplace for neighboring countries to threaten nuclear war left and right, so this shouldn't be taken lightly, even if it has turned into a sortof tragicomical tradition.
The other thing I notice - especially with Americans - is that they tend to check how much of a danger NK poses to America, calculate that the danger is almost non-existent, and then go "relax everyone, they are of no danger to anybody important!" leaving South Korea with a frustrated-face.
Oh yeah? Who said that Zeg?

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« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2013, 08:05:48 AM »
The 'cry wolf' effect applied to this topic is a bit disturbing.

In what way?

It's not like it's commonplace for neighboring countries to threaten nuclear war left and right, so this shouldn't be taken lightly, even if it has turned into a sortof tragicomical tradition.
The other thing I notice - especially with Americans - is that they tend to check how much of a danger NK poses to America, calculate that the danger is almost non-existent, and then go "relax everyone, they are of no danger to anybody important!" leaving South Korea with a frustrated-face.
Oh yeah? Who said that Zeg?

People. People said it.
I exaggerated the exact expression for a condensing effect, since people said a whole bunch of different things, it would take me hours to make an exact list of all the variations, especially if you want to include exact syntax from each individual statement.

But in all, from everyone commenting NK that I have seen, more than half commented on the nuclear capacity. The bulk of this half commented on wether or not it would be able to reach USA, and kept the debate at that. Several more dismissed all danger presented by NK, on the basis that it could not realistically harm the USA.

You know perfectly well what I mean.

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« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2013, 08:31:55 AM »
The 'cry wolf' effect applied to this topic is a bit disturbing.

In what way?

It's not like it's commonplace for neighboring countries to threaten nuclear war left and right, so this shouldn't be taken lightly, even if it has turned into a sortof tragicomical tradition.
The other thing I notice - especially with Americans - is that they tend to check how much of a danger NK poses to America, calculate that the danger is almost non-existent, and then go "relax everyone, they are of no danger to anybody important!" leaving South Korea with a frustrated-face.
Oh yeah? Who said that Zeg?

People. People said it.
I exaggerated the exact expression for a condensing effect, since people said a whole bunch of different things, it would take me hours to make an exact list of all the variations, especially if you want to include exact syntax from each individual statement.

But in all, from everyone commenting NK that I have seen, more than half commented on the nuclear capacity. The bulk of this half commented on wether or not it would be able to reach USA, and kept the debate at that. Several more dismissed all danger presented by NK, on the basis that it could not realistically harm the USA.

You know perfectly well what I mean.
No I don't. Given your inexact use of language it is not that difficult for me to require clarification about what you do mean.

You either can't find, or are to lazy to find, any references of anyone in a position that matters with respect to responding to DPRK military aggression in the US Govt saying any such thing. If you think Obama, the DOD and the CIA are going to give serious consideration about what Joe at the corner gas station or Phil on Facebook thinks about how to respond to DPRK nuclear aggression you are badly mistaken.

For people in the US whether or not that fat POS can hit Hawaii, Alaska or California is a concern and it is a valid concern. Furthermore there are over 28,000 US military members stationed in ROK that in the event of a combined nuclear and conventional strike stand to die in short order. In the event of that happening a US response would happen and China and Russia would each have a high probability of weighing in.

Don't let any of those facts fuck up your righteous indignation Zeg.

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« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2013, 08:45:01 AM »
Dude...

Please, for the love of god, READ my reply to you this time:

Stop putting your own ideas of what I think into my head, for then to fight them.

1. I never thought "peace on earth" is a viable, realistic prospect (responding to you on multiple previous occasions, where you vanished after deciding to give me opinions I don't have)
2. I like guns (responding to you on multiple previous occasions, where you vanished after deciding to give me opinions I don't have)
3. I never said, thought, claimed, hinted or pretended OFFICIAL CHANNELS had these opinions. I said PEOPLE. Even STUPID PEOPLE. EXPECIALLY stupid people. INTERNET PEOPLE. I am FULLY aware that Gvt officials know what they need to know about this situation...
4. I KNOW what North Korea can do with its arsenal. I AM NOT STUPID PEOPLE.

Now, Please, Please, promise me: Next time you see me making a statement about something, respond ONLY to THAT statement, and NOT statements you IMAGINE that I am LIKELY to make.

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« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2013, 08:53:04 AM »
TLDR version, Casanova: Stop giving me your stock-anti-democrat type reply. I am not American. I couldn't vote "Democrats" even if I wanted to, and I don't want to. We don't have Obama in Norway.
Respond to what I say.

Aaand you missed out on this reply, like always, and next time you're just gonna do the same thing again -.-
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« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2013, 09:22:01 AM »
Bullshit Zeg. This post below mine is exactly what I am responded to. I can cherry pick least common denominator stupidity from anywhere to justify any position. But I don't rely on Alex Jones or Giorgio Tsoukalas  information to assess world history or events. While there are plenty of stupid people to go around and the people here in the US who bother paying attention to world affairs are well aware of the potential for trouble from DPRK. Your penchant for armchair activism doesn't make you any smarter than they are.

 If the DPRK attacks the ROK the US will be in it. That will almost certainly bring PRC into it and very likely Russia. A domino effect could bring India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Pakistan into the mix fairly easily if shit goes really wrong after that. That is not too fucking hard to figure out.

So I make points and vanish huh Zeg? I don't bother sticking with every thread to the bitter end, particularly where I don't see a point in doing so. With this assault weapons crap for example I have put my efforts into influencing real political action here in the US rather than trying to convert Soph, odeon or others I don't feel like trying to convert. If there is ever anything you believe I have said that seriously misrepresents your position than call me out on it and we will discuss it further - hopefully without a bunch of fucking busybodies inserting themselves. 

The 'cry wolf' effect applied to this topic is a bit disturbing.

In what way?

It's not like it's commonplace for neighboring countries to threaten nuclear war left and right, so this shouldn't be taken lightly, even if it has turned into a sortof tragicomical tradition.
The other thing I notice - especially with Americans - is that they tend to check how much of a danger NK poses to America, calculate that the danger is almost non-existent, and then go "relax everyone, they are of no danger to anybody important!" leaving South Korea with a frustrated-face.
TLDR version, Casanova: Stop giving me your stock-anti-democrat type reply. I am not American. I couldn't vote "Democrats" even if I wanted to, and I don't want to. We don't have Obama in Norway.
Respond to what I say.

Aaand you missed out on this reply, like always, and next time you're just gonna do the same thing again -.-
I did respond to what you said. You just don't like the response. Go take a few tokes, draw a dinosaur and get back to me.  :thumbup: