assault weapon ban

[odeon]

White males who were literate, lived in the right state, weren't poor and had the right background, maybe. And that's still just about the right to vote for someone who will then do the voting for you. You've been watching too many westerns on the telly.

No one back then questioned why anyone would have a gun. No one questioned one's right to self-defense. No one stopped anyone from putting what they wanted in their own body. In America 1913 you could buy heroin legally without any prescription. Compare that to not even being able to buy something as harmless as melatonin.

No one would question a white male's right to those things, maybe.

But yeah, if you value buying heroin more than voting, sure. We just see these things a bit differently.

[odeon]

To the kuiper belt with the two of you.

It's a cold, nasty place, reserved for those I flame.

[TheoK]

White males who were literate, lived in the right state, weren't poor and had the right background, maybe. And that's still just about the right to vote for someone who will then do the voting for you. You've been watching too many westerns on the telly.

No one back then questioned why anyone would have a gun. No one questioned one's right to self-defense. No one stopped anyone from putting what they wanted in their own body. In America 1913 you could buy heroin legally without any prescription. Compare that to not even being able to buy something as harmless as melatonin.

No one would question a white male's right to those things, maybe.

But yeah, if you value buying heroin more than voting, sure. We just see these things a bit differently.

Strawman. I would prefer anarchism. I am saying that it is more relative freedom to be able to buy heroin legally.

[odeon]

I know you would, but anarchism is even more of a pipe dream than democracy.

Guns do not equal freedom and they never have. It's an illusion, and a dangerous one.

[TheoK]

I know you would, but anarchism is even more of a pipe dream than democracy.

Guns do not equal freedom and they never have. It's an illusion, and a dangerous one.

Guns equal freedom, if everyone has the same firepower. It's a very obvious fact. The state is "invincible" just because it has all guns or the most powerful ones. Very simple.

[odeon]

See my reply in the other thread. The only place this might lead to is the Kuiper belt.

[McGiver]

See my reply in the other thread. The only place this might lead to is the Kuiper belt.

and back!

[TheoK]

Mannulus Romanus sum. Zonae Kuiperi non metuo 

[odeon]

Kätä kieltä jonka muut voivat ymmärtää.

[TheoK]

I'm a Roman pony and don't fear the Kuiper Belt

[odeon]

You should, mate, because I can get mean if I want to.

[RageBeoulve]

It is only a problem if you perceive it as such. And most people don't.

I'm afraid I have to disagree. Government officials making decisions based on their own emotions, or those of a collective of whiny people is a SERIOUS problem. Even if the majority does not yet perceive it. Its as if you have given a person who gets drunk twenty four hours a day (because really drunk people make lots of emotional decisions, with disastrous results) complete control of your life. It will be quite dangerous for you and everyone involved, no matter how they "perceive it".

I disagree. In this case the system works because people do not perceive it as enough of a problem. It's not the same as the binge drinker's problem at all, because eventually his liver will be shot. We, on the other hand, can live through our lives thinking we are free.

Its beginning to become a problem though. I'm seeing a lot more grumbling than I did just a few years ago, which is the sign of a frustrated and annoyed people. I'm not saying they're "waking up" yet, but people are beginning to suspect something may be wrong with things.

Change occurs because of discomfort or pain.

[TheoK]

I met an old pal from the university today. We discussed this. He said that if an uprising gets big enough to have success, you will get weapons for it anyway. It would feel safer with a thoroughly armed general public, though.

[odeon]

Consider this latest NSA/interwebz monitoring thing. Are people upset? Yes, sure, but I'm betting money on that most people worry more about the authorities being able to trace their frequent Pornhub visits than all the rest of it. Will there be an uprising because of it? No.

What surprises me is that some people are actually surprised. What did they think? That the internet would be unsupervised and unmonitored just because this isn't China? Oh please. Your employer knows what pages you visit. Your ISP knows. And your government knows.

[TheoK]

We will have to make an uprising communicating with carrier pigeons then!