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Land dispute: US vs Onondaga for New York state
« on: March 16, 2013, 06:07:50 PM »
Onondaga Nation leaders visit D.C. with historic treasure, wampum belt from George Washington



Washington -- When the leaders of the Onondaga Nation traveled here today to file an appeal of their rejected land rights claim, they brought along a special piece of supporting evidence that had been sealed in a bank vault in downtown Syracuse.

For the first time in more than 20 years, the Onondagas publicly displayed a wampum belt commissioned by George Washington to mark the 1794 Treaty of Canandaigua.

The peace treaty guaranteed the Six Nations of the Iroquois “the free use and enjoyment” of their land.

Onondaga Faithkeeper Oren Lyons, speaking at a news conference at the National Press Club, used the setting to appeal to all Americans for their support.

“You can’t go around the world proclaiming democracy when you can’t take care of what’s at home,” Lyons said of the United States. He said all Americans should be outraged by the October 2010 decision by a U.S. District Court judge to reject the land rights claim the Onondaga Nation filed in March 2005.

“It’s your duty to uphold that treaty,” Lyons said, referring to U.S. citizens. “We do not concede to the court. We do not concede. We will fight on. But we would hope to secure the help of the U.S. people. Remind your leaders: If you can’t keep your promise, and you can’t keep George Washington’s words, whose words can you keep?”

With that introduction, Lyons stepped aside as other chiefs representing the Six Nations of the Iroquois carefully unfurled the 218-year-old wampum belt. The treaty belt marked the peace and friendship between the United States and the Iroquois, or Haudennosaunee people.

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It was the first time since New York state returned the wampum belt to the Onondagas in 1989 that it had been removed from its vault from M&T Bank in downtown Syracuse (the former Onondaga Savings Bank) and displayed in public. The chiefs held up the belt for the cameras. The well-preserved artifact stretches 6 feet and is 5 inches wide.

Joseph Heath, the Onondaga Nation’s general counsel, said the Onondaga people believe the law is on their side.

“The facts are not in dispute,” Heath said. “New York does not even dispute that the land was taken illegally.”

Heath also noted that the city of Syracuse and Onondaga County have supported their position. “What the Onondaga and Haudenosaunee people are asking for is truth and justice,” he said.

Suzan Shown Harjo, the guest curator at the Museum of the American Indian in Washington, is among those sympathetic to the Onondagas and their land rights action.

“We need to keep our word,” she said at the news conference. Shown Harjo said the museum will help emphasize the imporantance of the treaty when it opens an exhibit next year about treaties with American Indians.

A Russian television reporter was among more than 20 reporters and friends of the Onondagas who attended the news conference. He asked, “Just a hypothetical question: If you win, what do you want to do with the people in the state of New York?”

Lyons said, “Our intention was not to remove anybody. We were clear about that.”

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2012/02/onondaga_nation_leaders_visit.html
Can't you guys even just imagine it?

Forget practicality, or your experience....can you just....imagine?

It's there. It always was.

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Re: Land dispute: US vs Onondaga for New York state
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2013, 06:15:01 PM »
'Your people wronged my people a couple hundred years ago'    Blah blah blah  it gets old.  Go back far enough everyones been fucked by someone and everyone has fucked someone else
"Eat it up.  Wear it out.  Make it do or do without." 

'People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it.'
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Re: Land dispute: US vs Onondaga for New York state
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2013, 06:18:29 PM »
Indeed.

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Re: Land dispute: US vs Onondaga for New York state
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2013, 06:28:32 PM »
'Your people wronged my people a couple hundred years ago'    Blah blah blah  it gets old.  Go back far enough everyones been fucked by someone and everyone has fucked someone else

Boy you really don't know US law or history do you?

There are certain disputes that exist today which have been ongoing, and the Supremes court has ruled in favour of Indians for land disputes. They have the legal right to dispute those lands, and US has the obligation to meet the challenge.

Also, they weren't wronged 100 years ago, it is an ongoing and current offense. But of course, a statement like that shows you probably don't care to know your history. Taking a lot of self-restraint to not just start cursing...
Can't you guys even just imagine it?

Forget practicality, or your experience....can you just....imagine?

It's there. It always was.

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Re: Land dispute: US vs Onondaga for New York state
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2013, 06:32:23 PM »
'Your people wronged my people a couple hundred years ago'    Blah blah blah  it gets old.  Go back far enough everyones been fucked by someone and everyone has fucked someone else

Boy you really don't know US law or history do you?

There are certain disputes that exist today which have been ongoing, and the Supremes court has ruled in favour of Indians for land disputes. They have the legal right to dispute those lands, and US has the obligation to meet the challenge.

Also, they weren't wronged 100 years ago, it is an ongoing and current offense. But of course, a statement like that shows you probably don't care to know your history. Taking a lot of self-restraint to not just start cursing...
you really dislike white guys,huh

I have noticed per your habits, that you dont mind the white women, tho

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Re: Land dispute: US vs Onondaga for New York state
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2013, 06:36:12 PM »
I think there's something awesome about holding up that kind of physical evidence of a lie in front of the government courts.
You'll never self-actualize the subconscious canopy of stardust with that attitude.

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Re: Land dispute: US vs Onondaga for New York state
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2013, 06:36:48 PM »
'Your people wronged my people a couple hundred years ago'    Blah blah blah  it gets old.  Go back far enough everyones been fucked by someone and everyone has fucked someone else

Boy you really don't know US law or history do you?

There are certain disputes that exist today which have been ongoing, and the Supremes court has ruled in favour of Indians for land disputes. They have the legal right to dispute those lands, and US has the obligation to meet the challenge.

Also, they weren't wronged 100 years ago, it is an ongoing and current offense. But of course, a statement like that shows you probably don't care to know your history. Taking a lot of self-restraint to not just start cursing...
you really dislike white guys,huh

I have noticed per your habits, that you dont mind the white women, tho

lol. I dislike ignorant statements that hint at a bit of racism.

I don't dislike white guys-what made you think that?...in terms of guys in general (because I don't know everyone's race) I guess I just don't disclose my affection for them as readily I do women ;)

Can't you guys even just imagine it?

Forget practicality, or your experience....can you just....imagine?

It's there. It always was.

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Re: Land dispute: US vs Onondaga for New York state
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2013, 06:38:16 PM »
I think there's something awesome about holding up that kind of physical evidence of a lie in front of the government courts.

I agree. Especially considering it's from George Washington...he's almost like America's creator God to most people.
Can't you guys even just imagine it?

Forget practicality, or your experience....can you just....imagine?

It's there. It always was.

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Re: Land dispute: US vs Onondaga for New York state
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2013, 06:38:22 PM »
'Your people wronged my people a couple hundred years ago'    Blah blah blah  it gets old.  Go back far enough everyones been fucked by someone and everyone has fucked someone else

Boy you really don't know US law or history do you?

There are certain disputes that exist today which have been ongoing, and the Supremes court has ruled in favour of Indians for land disputes. They have the legal right to dispute those lands, and US has the obligation to meet the challenge.

Also, they weren't wronged 100 years ago, it is an ongoing and current offense. But of course, a statement like that shows you probably don't care to know your history. Taking a lot of self-restraint to not just start cursing...
you really dislike white guys,huh

I have noticed per your habits, that you dont mind the white women, tho

lol. I dislike ignorant statements that hint at a bit of racism.

I don't dislike white guys-what made you think that?...in terms of guys in general (because I don't know everyone's race) I guess I just don't disclose my affection for them as readily I do women ;)
wasnt nothing ignorant about it

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Re: Land dispute: US vs Onondaga for New York state
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2013, 06:45:29 PM »
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'Your people wronged my people a couple hundred years ago'    Blah blah blah  it gets old

^That's ignorant. There are multiple things wrong about this statement- should I delineate, would anyone even care? I don't think so. Maybe...if they wanted to know they could ask. But it's probably more convenient to repeat a lie followed by "blah blah blah".

Can't you guys even just imagine it?

Forget practicality, or your experience....can you just....imagine?

It's there. It always was.

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Re: Land dispute: US vs Onondaga for New York state
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2013, 06:45:54 PM »
I think there's something awesome about holding up that kind of physical evidence of a lie in front of the government courts.

I agree. Especially considering it's from George Washington...he's almost like America's creator God to most people.
George was one of the elite, property owners, who used the sweat and blood of the common man to gain their own personal ideals.

The reason why the right to vote wasnt set up in the constitution. was because Washington and Jefferson couldnt decide whether it should be only property owners who had the right to decide matters.

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Re: Land dispute: US vs Onondaga for New York state
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2013, 06:54:38 PM »
Some people with american indian heritage, who have never known any part of reservation culture, kind of view it like educated blacks view the ghetto, and the stigma that comes along with that. Reservations are concentration camps, where someone opened the doors and the prisoners decided to stay. No matter how hard they fight, they'll always be poor, dependant and controlled by the government. They should assimilate.
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Re: Land dispute: US vs Onondaga for New York state
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2013, 06:55:44 PM »
'Your people wronged my people a couple hundred years ago'    Blah blah blah  it gets old.  Go back far enough everyones been fucked by someone and everyone has fucked someone else

Boy you really don't know US law or history do you?

There are certain disputes that exist today which have been ongoing, and the Supremes court has ruled in favour of Indians for land disputes. They have the legal right to dispute those lands, and US has the obligation to meet the challenge.

Also, they weren't wronged 100 years ago, it is an ongoing and current offense. But of course, a statement like that shows you probably don't care to know your history. Taking a lot of self-restraint to not just start cursing...

Curse all you want I still will not care and they will not get what they want, sure they may get something and this is their angle to get as much as possible. 
"Eat it up.  Wear it out.  Make it do or do without." 

'People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it.'
George Bernard Shaw

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Re: Land dispute: US vs Onondaga for New York state
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2013, 07:00:05 PM »
Some people with american indian heritage, who have never known any part of reservation culture, kind of view it like educated blacks view the ghetto, and the stigma that comes along with that. Reservations are concentration camps, where someone opened the doors and the prisoners decided to stay. No matter how hard they fight, they'll always be poor, dependant and controlled by the government. They should assimilate.
or open another casino

they used to have tours of the Catawba reservation here. But they tore down the trailer park

The tribe has been wanting to open a casino, but the state, wont allow it. So broke they will remain

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Re: Land dispute: US vs Onondaga for New York state
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2013, 07:06:12 PM »
'Your people wronged my people a couple hundred years ago'    Blah blah blah  it gets old.  Go back far enough everyones been fucked by someone and everyone has fucked someone else

Boy you really don't know US law or history do you?

There are certain disputes that exist today which have been ongoing, and the Supremes court has ruled in favour of Indians for land disputes. They have the legal right to dispute those lands, and US has the obligation to meet the challenge.

Also, they weren't wronged 100 years ago, it is an ongoing and current offense. But of course, a statement like that shows you probably don't care to know your history. Taking a lot of self-restraint to not just start cursing...

Curse all you want I still will not care and they will not get what they want, sure they may get something and this is their angle to get as much as possible. 


see what I mean skyblue1? Parts doesn't care, just makes ignorant statements with no knowledge of the facts, the history, the law, or the purpose. Makes the same presumptions about people's motives that racists make.

And I didn't curse. For the record. But I am upset, because that racist BS is what lets a genocide to finish itself off. Should I expect morality from this place? Or are ethics out the window?

Is this a place for nazi's or something?
Can't you guys even just imagine it?

Forget practicality, or your experience....can you just....imagine?

It's there. It always was.