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Drone strikes on U.S. soil
« on: March 06, 2013, 12:40:46 PM »
Drone strikes on U.S. soil

Washington (CNN) -- Attorney General Eric Holder is not entirely ruling out a scenario under which a drone strike would be ordered against Americans on U.S. soil, but says it has never been done previously and he could only see it being considered in an extraordinary circumstance.

He began to winnow the list of those possible extraordinary circumstances Wednesday. In testimony Wednesday before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, pressed Holder whether he believed it would be constitutional to target an American terror suspect "sitting at a cafe" if the suspect didn't pose an imminent threat.

"No," Holder replied.

But he also said the government has no intention of carrying out drone strikes inside the United States. Echoing what he said in a letter to U.S. Sen. Rand Paul, R-Kentucky, he called the possibility of domestic drone strikes "entirely hypothetical."

That letter, released Tuesday, was prompted by questions raised over the nomination of John Brennan to head the CIA. Specifically, members of the Senate Intelligence Committee sought the Obama administration's legal rationale for its use of drones to kill terror suspects overseas.

But Sen. Rand Paul, a Kentucky Republican who has said he would do what he could to hold up Brennan's nomination until he got a full answer to his query, wanted to know whether the administration considered that policy applicable domestically.

Holder: Drone strike against Americans in the U.S. possible

In a letter to Paul dated on Monday, Holder said it was possible, "I suppose," to imagine an "extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate" under U.S. law for the president to authorize the military to "use lethal force" within the United States.

However, Holder said the question was "entirely hypothetical" and "unlikely to occur."

The United States, he said, has not carried out such action domestically and had no plans to do so.

Holder said a potential scenario might involve a president ordering such action "to protect the homeland" in a case like the 2001 al Qaeda attacks on New York and Washington or the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor in 1941.

But he said the administration rejects the use of military force where law enforcement authorities provide the best means for incapacitating a terrorist threat.

Paul, who released the letter from Holder along with his statement, was not satisfied with the response.

"The U.S. attorney general's refusal to rule out the possibility of drone strikes on American citizens and on American soil is more than frightening. It is an affront to the constitutional due process rights of all Americans," Paul said.

Jeffrey Toobin, CNN senior legal analyst, said on CNN's "The Situation Room" that Holder made it clear in his letter that he would have to examine the facts of each situation separately and advise the president on his legal authority.

"Again, he made a point of saying Sen. Rand Paul's question is hypothetical at this time. But at some point down the road, this may not be hypothetical," Toobin said.

Brennan defended the use of drones overseas at his confirmation hearing weeks ago, but acknowledged there should be more public discussion.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/05/politics/o...index.html


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Re: Drone strikes on U.S. soil
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2013, 12:50:03 PM »
Anyone still think i'm being paranoid for seeing a pattern to the patriot act, stricter "gun control", etc? Why can't anyone else see this?

I can imagine all common working americans being forced to work on plantations and being escorted around in groups by hired thugs in about twenty years. I'll rattle the irons around my wrists and give everyone I see an "I told you so" look. We're already basically slaves to people with money, but at least we still have some rights.
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I will never stop...
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Re: Drone strikes on U.S. soil
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2013, 01:34:02 PM »
Anyone still think i'm being paranoid for seeing a pattern to the patriot act, stricter "gun control", etc? Why can't anyone else see this?

I can imagine all common working americans being forced to work on plantations and being escorted around in groups by hired thugs in about twenty years. I'll rattle the irons around my wrists and give everyone I see an "I told you so" look. We're already basically slaves to people with money, but at least we still have some rights.
I dont think you are paranoid

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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2013, 01:37:16 PM »
Good. Because i'm speaking truth here. People are throwing away freedom with both hands without even understanding what they are doing, and having fattening foods, stupid trends, half assed tech,  and boring tv shoved up their asses to placate them.

I will also say this. We all fucking deserve it for letting it happen.
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2013, 01:51:08 PM »
No drone is going to shoot my ass with a Hellfire missile from 10,000 feet and 5 miles away.  Cuz I'll have me an assault rifle ;)

I like the idea of personal slaves, so long as they are assigned because they are poor and not because they are black.  How else is my pool going to get cleaned?

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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2013, 01:57:41 PM »
No drone is going to shoot my ass with a Hellfire missile from 10,000 feet and 5 miles away.  Cuz I'll have me an assault rifle ;)

I like the idea of personal slaves, so long as they are assigned because they are poor and not because they are black.  How else is my pool going to get cleaned?

Stupid post, brah. I totally implied i'd defend myself from hellfire missles with a rifle. Yep. I'll take that as satire since you talked about having nigger slaves.




What I said, is that a lot of people complain about the government and how society seems to be turning for the worse blah blah blah AND IT IS THEIR FAULT because they vote the fags in office that do these things, and vote on their fag policies.
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Re: Drone strikes on U.S. soil
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2013, 02:31:03 PM »
Good. Because i'm speaking truth here. People are throwing away freedom with both hands without even understanding what they are doing, and having fattening foods, stupid trends, half assed tech,  and boring tv shoved up their asses to placate them.

I will also say this. We all fucking deserve it for letting it happen.
we get what we vote for

since people keep voting in the same jerks, what do you expect

The Patriot Act and Homeland need to go away

The only people they have control over, is us

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Re: Drone strikes on U.S. soil
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2013, 05:50:52 PM »
No drone is going to shoot my ass with a Hellfire missile from 10,000 feet and 5 miles away.  Cuz I'll have me an assault rifle ;)

I like the idea of personal slaves, so long as they are assigned because they are poor and not because they are black.  How else is my pool going to get cleaned?

So your okay with this?  Obama is proving himself no better and in many ways worse than Bush on civil liberties. 
"Eat it up.  Wear it out.  Make it do or do without." 

'People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it.'
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Re: Drone strikes on U.S. soil
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2013, 05:58:57 PM »
No drone is going to shoot my ass with a Hellfire missile from 10,000 feet and 5 miles away.  Cuz I'll have me an assault rifle ;)

I like the idea of personal slaves, so long as they are assigned because they are poor and not because they are black.  How else is my pool going to get cleaned?

So your okay with this?  Obama is proving himself no better and in many ways worse than Bush on civil liberties.
congress could squelch it, if they wanted to

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Re: Drone strikes on U.S. soil
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2013, 06:15:02 PM »
No drone is going to shoot my ass with a Hellfire missile from 10,000 feet and 5 miles away.  Cuz I'll have me an assault rifle ;)

I like the idea of personal slaves, so long as they are assigned because they are poor and not because they are black.  How else is my pool going to get cleaned?

So your okay with this?  Obama is proving himself no better and in many ways worse than Bush on civil liberties.
congress could squelch it, if they wanted to

But I doubt they will,  each side seems to thinks it's okay when they do it so it will split down party lines. 
"Eat it up.  Wear it out.  Make it do or do without." 

'People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it.'
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Re: Drone strikes on U.S. soil
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2013, 06:17:34 PM »
No drone is going to shoot my ass with a Hellfire missile from 10,000 feet and 5 miles away.  Cuz I'll have me an assault rifle ;)

I like the idea of personal slaves, so long as they are assigned because they are poor and not because they are black.  How else is my pool going to get cleaned?

So your okay with this?  Obama is proving himself no better and in many ways worse than Bush on civil liberties.
congress could squelch it, if they wanted to

But I doubt they will,  each side seems to thinks it's okay when they do it so it will split down party lines.
I feel both sides are happy with more control over the american population

less chance of rebellion

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Re: Drone strikes on U.S. soil
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2013, 06:26:12 PM »
No drone is going to shoot my ass with a Hellfire missile from 10,000 feet and 5 miles away.  Cuz I'll have me an assault rifle ;)

I like the idea of personal slaves, so long as they are assigned because they are poor and not because they are black.  How else is my pool going to get cleaned?

So your okay with this?  Obama is proving himself no better and in many ways worse than Bush on civil liberties.
congress could squelch it, if they wanted to

But I doubt they will,  each side seems to thinks it's okay when they do it so it will split down party lines.
I feel both sides are happy with more control over the american population

less chance of rebellion
I don't think they worry so much about that.  It's a power trip thing
"Eat it up.  Wear it out.  Make it do or do without." 

'People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it.'
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Re: Drone strikes on U.S. soil
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2013, 07:09:56 PM »
Anyone still think i'm being paranoid for seeing a pattern to the patriot act, stricter "gun control", etc? Why can't anyone else see this?

I can imagine all common working americans being forced to work on plantations and being escorted around in groups by hired thugs in about twenty years. I'll rattle the irons around my wrists and give everyone I see an "I told you so" look. We're already basically slaves to people with money, but at least we still have some rights.
Why do you think none of us do?
it is well known that PMS Elle is evil.
I think you'd fit in a 12" or at least a 16" firework mortar
You win this thread because that's most unsettling to even think about.

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Re: Drone strikes on U.S. soil
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2013, 07:56:29 PM »
from Warren Buffett:

Congressional Reform Act of 2012
 
1. No Tenure/No Pension
A Congressman/woman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they're out of office.
 
 
2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security.
All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately.
All future funds flow into the Social Security system,  and Congress participates with the American people.It may not be used for any other purpose.
 
 
3. Congress can purchase
their own retirement plan,  just as all Americans do.
 
 
4. Congress will no longer vote
themselves a pay raise.
Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.
 
 
5. Congress loses their current health care system
and participates in the same health care system as the American people.
 
 
6. Congress must equally abide
by all laws they impose on the American people.
 
 
7. All contracts
with past and present Congressmen/women are void effective 12/1/12.
The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen/women.
Congress made all these contracts for themselves.
 
 
 
Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career.
The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should
serve their term(s),
then go home and back to work.

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