School shooting in Newtown, CT

[skyblue1]

Ask the criminal in your country where smuggling weapons is a big business.

Most gun violence here is criminals shooting OTHER criminals. drug dealers. gang violence etc.

^ same here in the US

[Adam]

Yes, but you also get a shitload of "crimes of passion" involving guns and plenty of mass shootings in schools etc

We don't

[skyblue1]

Yes, but you also get a shitload of "crimes of passion" involving guns and plenty of mass shootings in schools etc

We don't

Thats reality for you.

Crimes of passion and mass killings dont always incude guns.

Thats reality also.

[El]

I wonder if the reason the NRA are so keen on armed guards in every one of the thousand public schools in the US has anything to do witht the money it would make them? Surely not

Solving gun violence with more guns is fucking retarded

And aside from that, who the FUCK wants to send their kids to a school where the teachers are armed or where there's a guy with a gun at the gate?

I find this bulletproof backpack thing crazy as hell too

Preventing gun violence with the presense of armed security is not retarded.

It is  just not practical with school budgets the way they are.

Here in South Carolina all middle and high schools have armed officers on campus.

Parents appreciate it. Because it does deter crime.

Students appreciate it, also. ( well those not trying to commit crimes appreciate it )

Of course trying to get folks to understand, who dont live in a country where there is a gun culture over 200 years old, is impossible.

Y`all arent being realistic, Reality always trumps idealism.

Better mental health care for all citizens is a better way forward.

Criminals dont give a fuck about laws.

Ask the criminal in your country where smuggling weapons is a big business.

 Just how in the hell is the NRA supposed to profit off of this. They cant.

I am an Autist. I own an AK-47, a shot gun, and two handguns.

I havent shot anyone since 1969. And will not shoot anyone, except in self-defense.

I believe I have a good record

not in 'merica, it doesn't.  :/

[Adam]

Yes, but you also get a shitload of "crimes of passion" involving guns and plenty of mass shootings in schools etc

We don't

Thats reality for you.

Crimes of passion and mass killings dont always incude guns.

Thats reality also.

Obviously

Guns are a lot more likely to kill and to kill more people

[Pyraxis]

Guns allow people who are physically weak to defend themselves against violence. That gives an advantage to small people, women and the elderly.

[TA]

Yes, but you also get a shitload of "crimes of passion" involving guns and plenty of mass shootings in schools etc

We don't

Thats reality for you.

Crimes of passion and mass killings dont always incude guns.

Thats reality also.

Obviously

Guns are a lot more likely to kill and to kill more people

D: That must explain why my pistol is on trial for armed robbery. It floated into a bank and demanded money.

[Adam]

If only I had a £ for every time I've heard a retard make that "guns don't kill people - did the gun shoot someone by itself?" argument...

that, and the "let's ban cars as well, because people die in traffic accidents!" one

[skyblue1]

cars should be banned

[Calavera]

If only I had a £ for every time I've heard a retard make that "guns don't kill people - did the gun shoot someone by itself?" argument...

that, and the "let's ban cars as well, because people die in traffic accidents!" one

I can understand your point, Adam. Guns are primarily made to kill. Not the case with cars.

That said, I still have mixed feelings about all this and trying to figure out which side, in my opinion, is more reasonable.

[Adam]

Believe it or not, I kinda have mixed feelings about it as well. Not beccause I think a society with guns is better than a society without (I'd much prefer to carry on living in a country with strict gun control than a country with laws similar to those in the US). But I know the situation over there isn't as simple as taking them away. It's a culture thing. I find it hard to get my head round how so many americans are big on guns and how so many seem to almost value their right to bare arms more than anything else.

All I can say is I'm glad my little brothers aren;t going to schools where there are armed guards at the doors incase a kid comes in and shoots the place up

[skyblue1]

There are 315 million Americans

There are 62,641,000  in the UK

There are 22,620,600 in Australia

Can anyone see why there is more incidence of violence in the US. Guns involved or not.

8,583 people murdered with guns  in the US in 2011

estimate of 32,310 died in car accidents in 2011



BAN cars

[TA]

If only I had a £ for every time I've heard a retard make that "guns don't kill people - did the gun shoot someone by itself?" argument...

that, and the "let's ban cars as well, because people die in traffic accidents!" one

Enjoy being a slave to the rich.

Now that the snide comments are out of the way...

Believe it or not, I kinda have mixed feelings about it as well. Not beccause I think a society with guns is better than a society without (I'd much prefer to carry on living in a country with strict gun control than a country with laws similar to those in the US). But I know the situation over there isn't as simple as taking them away. It's a culture thing. I find it hard to get my head round how so many americans are big on guns and how so many seem to almost value their right to bare arms more than anything else.

All I can say is I'm glad my little brothers aren;t going to schools where there are armed guards at the doors incase a kid comes in and shoots the place up

Yes, it is a difference in culture mate, which is fine. Most Americans don't like being walked all over by the ruling class, that's why we want a way to fight back if push came to shove. Your people were apathetic when the ruling class disarmed you, now i'm worried you won't have a chance to stand up to them when they start being bigger dicks than they are now.

[MissKitty]

There are 34 million people in Canada (2012) and the most recent stat on gun related homicides was in 2010 and there were only 170. That's actually pretty good. Before the firearm registry came into effect, it was crazy high. Then it dropped by 41%

[Queen Victoria]

Guns allow people who are physically weak to defend themselves against violence. That gives an advantage to small people, women and the elderly.

Hey, I fit all 3 categories.  Icanhazgun?

Seriously, if I was to use a gun I would shoot to kill.  I decided that was the way to handle intruders.  And before anyone says, "You don't know what you'd do in a real situation," I've spent years reaffirming that decision.  There is no doubt in my mind.  I don't own a gun, but PA has a gun and bullets (separately stored) and I thoroughly intend to take shooting lessons when he dies.  Taking them while he's alive is too tempting.  "But officer, I thought an intruder was lying next to me."