School shooting in Newtown, CT

[midlifeaspie]

Frankly I find the lame argument that rednecks need guns to keep the guvment in check to be fucking hilarious.  The government has tanks, strike fighters, and hellfire missile equipped robots that roam the skys.  If the gumment wants to repress you, your piddly Bushmaster won't make one bit of difference.

[midlifeaspie]

Guns allow people who are physically weak to defend themselves against violence. That gives an advantage to small people, women and the elderly.

Hey, I fit all 3 categories.  Icanhazgun?

Seriously, if I was to use a gun I would shoot to kill.  I decided that was the way to handle intruders.  And before anyone says, "You don't know what you'd do in a real situation," I've spent years reaffirming that decision.  There is no doubt in my mind.  I don't own a gun, but PA has a gun and bullets (separately stored) and I thoroughly intend to take shooting lessons when he dies.  Taking them while he's alive is too tempting.  "But officer, I thought an intruder was lying next to me."

Statistically speaking, you are far more likely to shoot your daughter than an intruder.

[TA]

Frankly I find the lame argument that rednecks need guns to keep the guvment in check to be fucking hilarious.  The government has tanks, strike fighters, and hellfire missile equipped robots that roam the skys.  If the gumment wants to repress you, your piddly Bushmaster won't make one bit of difference.

Explain Syria.

Small arms and homemade explosives are doing a fairly decent job against a trained army there.

It may be an insurance policy to some, but it is a control thing to me. I simply take issue with someone telling me I cannot own something.

[Peter]

Frankly I find the lame argument that rednecks need guns to keep the guvment in check to be fucking hilarious.  The government has tanks, strike fighters, and hellfire missile equipped robots that roam the skys.  If the gumment wants to repress you, your piddly Bushmaster won't make one bit of difference.

Explain Syria.

Small arms and homemade explosives are doing a fairly decent job against a trained army there.

It may be an insurance policy to some, but it is a control thing to me. I simply take issue with someone telling me I cannot own something.

'Trained' is relative.  Arab armies aren't noted for their effectiveness, whether it's against insurgents or conventional military forces.

http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars

A more concise version: http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles2002/20020909.asp

That said, the heavily armed nature of the US populace and the continental scale of the US would make it extremely difficult for the US military or any other military to deal with a popular uprising, just as Afghanistan wouldn't be nearly as difficult to occupy if every goat herder's son didn't have an RPG and an AK-47, and the Iraqi insurgency would be less deadly if 250,000 tons of ordinance hadn't been looted and re-purposed as IEDs.

[Adam]

If only I had a £ for every time I've heard a retard make that "guns don't kill people - did the gun shoot someone by itself?" argument...

that, and the "let's ban cars as well, because people die in traffic accidents!" one

Enjoy being a slave to the rich.

Now that the snide comments are out of the way...

Believe it or not, I kinda have mixed feelings about it as well. Not beccause I think a society with guns is better than a society without (I'd much prefer to carry on living in a country with strict gun control than a country with laws similar to those in the US). But I know the situation over there isn't as simple as taking them away. It's a culture thing. I find it hard to get my head round how so many americans are big on guns and how so many seem to almost value their right to bare arms more than anything else.

All I can say is I'm glad my little brothers aren;t going to schools where there are armed guards at the doors incase a kid comes in and shoots the place up

Yes, it is a difference in culture mate, which is fine. Most Americans don't like being walked all over by the ruling class, that's why we want a way to fight back if push came to shove. Your people were apathetic when the ruling class disarmed you, now i'm worried you won't have a chance to stand up to them when they start being bigger dicks than they are now.

LOL

 

[midlifeaspie]

Frankly I find the lame argument that rednecks need guns to keep the guvment in check to be fucking hilarious.  The government has tanks, strike fighters, and hellfire missile equipped robots that roam the skys.  If the gumment wants to repress you, your piddly Bushmaster won't make one bit of difference.

Explain Syria.

Small arms and homemade explosives are doing a fairly decent job against a trained army there.

It may be an insurance policy to some, but it is a control thing to me. I simply take issue with someone telling me I cannot own something.

Yes, my bad.  The Syrian Army and the US Armed Forces are pretty much the same thing.

How much crack do you keep at home just because the government says you can't have it?

[TA]

I did not expect anything better from you two so.....i'll let the one Youtuber that proves that not all gun people are angry white republicans do the talking.

[Calavera]

Keep in the mind the defected army doing the fighting for the people in Syria. And the allies ...

[Adam]

Ok so the guy in the video is pro-guns and black. Wow. You've totally convinced me of.... nothing

I watched about half of it and thought it was bollocks. I've never shot a gun so I can't be in favour of gun control? I may be wrong on gun control, but I'm definitely not a hypocrite on it, so not sure what your point is.

[TA]

Ok so the guy in the video is pro-guns and black. Wow. You've totally convinced me of.... nothing

I watched about half of it and thought it was bollocks. I've never shot a gun so I can't be in favour of gun control? I may be wrong on gun control, but I'm definitely not a hypocrite on it, so not sure what your point is.

It was not specifically directed at you, MLA, or anyone.

You don't have armed bodyguards, and you probably don't live in a gated community, so I doubt you are a hypocrite by his standards.

You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

[Adam]

What did you post it for then? To show that some black people like guns too? I kinda new that - I listen to hip hop

[TA]

What did you post it for then? To show that some black people like guns too? I kinda new that - I listen to hip hop

It was directed at the debate as a whole.

[TheoK]

If only I had a £ for every time I've heard a retard make that "guns don't kill people - did the gun shoot someone by itself?" argument...

that, and the "let's ban cars as well, because people die in traffic accidents!" one

Enjoy being a slave to the rich.

Now that the snide comments are out of the way...

Believe it or not, I kinda have mixed feelings about it as well. Not beccause I think a society with guns is better than a society without (I'd much prefer to carry on living in a country with strict gun control than a country with laws similar to those in the US). But I know the situation over there isn't as simple as taking them away. It's a culture thing. I find it hard to get my head round how so many americans are big on guns and how so many seem to almost value their right to bare arms more than anything else.

All I can say is I'm glad my little brothers aren;t going to schools where there are armed guards at the doors incase a kid comes in and shoots the place up

Yes, it is a difference in culture mate, which is fine. Most Americans don't like being walked all over by the ruling class, that's why we want a way to fight back if push came to shove. Your people were apathetic when the ruling class disarmed you, now i'm worried you won't have a chance to stand up to them when they start being bigger dicks than they are now.

LOL

 

He is completely right - except that I doubt that a majority of Americans will ever fight "their" government, no matter how many guns they have. But the idea is completely right.

[Gopher Gary]

We Brits can Breed like fucking bunnies and force them to feed us.