2012 - a retrospective

['Butterflies']

Bodie made some very simple and constructive suggestions about how to change the site, like trying to fill it with stuff you like, ignoring people and posts you don't care about, things like that. That's what you disagreed with,

No, thats quite clearly not the case. I would have preferred not to pick through Bods post for your benefit, but I have little choice. Sorry Bod.

Apart from creating actual parts of the site for younger members.  Maybe for under forty's or under thirties or whatever.

I just dont think that would be a good idea.

It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read or see posts from those they feel are old and farty

She is trying to explain what she thinks I was trying to say. This was not what I was trying to say.

The atmosphere is dictated by the current posters.  The best way to change the atmosphere is by posting.  What or who is preventing this?

I explained to her what was stopping me from posting.

[odeon]

You can disagree with anyone you like, Butterflies, friends and foes alike, but if you don't present viable alternatives, then don't you think whining about this site while suggesting yet another group for the young and the vibrant is just a tad arrogant?

Youre the one that is showing true arrogance here Odeon.
You hound my posts, demanding that I clarify every point I try to make. If I make any mistake, you will jump on me.
I have not suggested yet another new group for young vibrant aspies. Schleed has started a FB group, and he invited me to join. AFAIK, everyone here who is on FB has been invited to join.
Now, clearly you are wrong here, so it just remains to be seen whether you have the humility to admit your mistake and offer an apology like I did with Les, or whether you continue true to form and arrogantly try to claim that you are somehow right.

Hounded, are you? You don't suppose me wanting you to explain some of the points you made was that you never did?

But you are right. This time you suggested using an existing group:

I would hugely love to keep in contact, but Skype would kill me. I cant even manage MSN. Forums seem to suit my social anxiety
Zomg still exists. If you just wanted a little forum to hang out with your mates on, it could be used.

[odeon]

It's one of these issues where he has "decided" that he is right.

I'm not allowed to argue my points, Lit?

[Queen Victoria]

When this thread hits 30 pages, everyone wins a puppy!

Well, we know MissKitty will chose a Leonberger, CBC will choose a Sheltie, Parts will choose a large breed dog...........

[TheoK]

It's one of these issues where he has "decided" that he is right.

I'm not allowed to argue my points, Lit?

It's your board, so of course you can argue as much as you want. Though this is one of those questions that you simply don't accept in your comfort zone.

['andersom']

I think it is best not to try.  There will be drama on here again, i feel sure.

Probably just a quiet spell.  I can always make some more posts about mirror sex and submissive sex?  Or about my insatiable desire for a damn good rodgering?   

When and where did you talk about mirror sex?  That sounds like it could be one of a couple of things.

Reflective Katoptronaphiliac  -  it's in the name.

Can't recall where and when i have spoken about this.  I have, though.  Several times.  Tend to STFU when no one responds.  If i had any inclination that this was a shared fantasy by anyone here i would be happy to open dialogue again.

You've talked enough about it for me to think of you, when I see the mirror over my bed. 

[odeon]

If you take the time to address Bodie's points, don't misrepresent them. Here's what I think is important in her post:

I think there is little that could be done, anyway.  Apart from creating actual parts of the site for younger members.  Maybe for under forty's or under thirties or whatever.  But why would Odeon want to do this?

It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read or see posts from those they feel are old and farty.  Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway.  AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required.

In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like.  I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way.   

The atmosphere is dictated by the current posters.  The best way to change the atmosphere is by posting.  What or who is preventing this?

Notice how she actually dismisses the subforum for younger members as something I'd likely not do? Seems to me she doesn't believe in it either.

And while she starts by saying "It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read...", she then goes on with what's important, which isn't about interpreting what you think or do not think but wholly sensible advice, regardless:

"Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway.  AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required."

and, more importantly:

"In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like.  I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way.   "

Sounds to me like sensible advice. But hey, that's just me. And maybe a few other members who think that this place is not dying and worth using.

But it's better to paint yourself as a victim, isn't it?

Bodie made some very simple and constructive suggestions about how to change the site, like trying to fill it with stuff you like, ignoring people and posts you don't care about, things like that. That's what you disagreed with,

No, thats quite clearly not the case. I would have preferred not to pick through Bods post for your benefit, but I have little choice. Sorry Bod.

Apart from creating actual parts of the site for younger members.  Maybe for under forty's or under thirties or whatever.

I just dont think that would be a good idea.

It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read or see posts from those they feel are old and farty

She is trying to explain what she thinks I was trying to say. This was not what I was trying to say.

The atmosphere is dictated by the current posters.  The best way to change the atmosphere is by posting.  What or who is preventing this?

I explained to her what was stopping me from posting.

[odeon]

It's one of these issues where he has "decided" that he is right.

I'm not allowed to argue my points, Lit?

It's your board, so of course you can argue as much as you want. Though this is one of those questions that you simply don't accept in your comfort zone.

[odeon]

When this thread hits 30 pages, everyone wins a puppy!

Well, we know MissKitty will chose a Leonberger, CBC will choose a Sheltie, Parts will choose a large breed dog...........

As much as I'd like a puppy, I'm allergic. Can I have a beer instead?

['andersom']

When this thread hits 30 pages, everyone wins a puppy!

Well, we know MissKitty will chose a Leonberger, CBC will choose a Sheltie, Parts will choose a large breed dog...........

I don't want a puppy. 

I like well treated and well educated larger breeds of dogs, but to be responsible for raising and socialising it, hell no.

['Butterflies']

You can disagree with anyone you like, Butterflies, friends and foes alike, but if you don't present viable alternatives, then don't you think whining about this site while suggesting yet another group for the young and the vibrant is just a tad arrogant?

Youre the one that is showing true arrogance here Odeon.
You hound my posts, demanding that I clarify every point I try to make. If I make any mistake, you will jump on me.
I have not suggested yet another new group for young vibrant aspies. Schleed has started a FB group, and he invited me to join. AFAIK, everyone here who is on FB has been invited to join.
Now, clearly you are wrong here, so it just remains to be seen whether you have the humility to admit your mistake and offer an apology like I did with Les, or whether you continue true to form and arrogantly try to claim that you are somehow right.

Hounded, are you? You don't suppose me wanting you to explain some of the points you made was that you never did?

But you are right. This time you suggested using an existing group:

I would hugely love to keep in contact, but Skype would kill me. I cant even manage MSN. Forums seem to suit my social anxiety
Zomg still exists. If you just wanted a little forum to hang out with your mates on, it could be used.

Zomg is completely dead. I havent even logged on in months. Your point makes no sense.

['Butterflies']

If you take the time to address Bodie's points, don't misrepresent them. Here's what I think is important in her post:

I think there is little that could be done, anyway.  Apart from creating actual parts of the site for younger members.  Maybe for under forty's or under thirties or whatever.  But why would Odeon want to do this?

It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read or see posts from those they feel are old and farty.  Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway.  AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required.

In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like.  I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way.   

The atmosphere is dictated by the current posters.  The best way to change the atmosphere is by posting.  What or who is preventing this?

Notice how she actually dismisses the subforum for younger members as something I'd likely not do? Seems to me she doesn't believe in it either.

And while she starts by saying "It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read...", she then goes on with what's important, which isn't about interpreting what you think or do not think but wholly sensible advice, regardless:

"Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway.  AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required."

and, more importantly:

"In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like.  I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way.   "

Sounds to me like sensible advice. But hey, that's just me. And maybe a few other members who think that this place is not dying and worth using.

But it's better to paint yourself as a victim, isn't it?

Bodie made some very simple and constructive suggestions about how to change the site, like trying to fill it with stuff you like, ignoring people and posts you don't care about, things like that. That's what you disagreed with,

No, thats quite clearly not the case. I would have preferred not to pick through Bods post for your benefit, but I have little choice. Sorry Bod.

Apart from creating actual parts of the site for younger members.  Maybe for under forty's or under thirties or whatever.

I just dont think that would be a good idea.

It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read or see posts from those they feel are old and farty

She is trying to explain what she thinks I was trying to say. This was not what I was trying to say.

The atmosphere is dictated by the current posters.  The best way to change the atmosphere is by posting.  What or who is preventing this?

I explained to her what was stopping me from posting.

 


Why would I want to misrepresent Bods posts? I like Bod a lot. She is easily one of my favorite people here.

You are making absolutely no sense here Odeon. Your comments are appearing further and further from reality by the page.

Obviously I dont disagree with "Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway.  AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required." Or, "In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like.  I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way."

I disagreed with the points by Bod that I quoted from her. I had no reason to quote what I didnt disagree with.
Just because you felt they were the important points in her post, doesnt mean I have to.


It has got to the stage where you just appear to be arguing with me over random nothingness.

[Al Swearegen]

They have each thrown at least one absurd slice of paranoia at me

I am actually wondering about the paranoia angle you are trying for. I am not paranoid of you. I do not think you really have that much influence on the site (perhaps you may have had a bit more back in the day). It seems you have been trying to say that either i am paranoid because i apparently believe you will take heaps of members away. I have clearly refuted this

How on Earth can I possibly remove 4-5 active members here. I'm not totally sure I even have 4-5 friends who still post regularly here, let alone 4-5 people who could be so influenced by me as to leave the site because Im not being entertained.

This almost tops Odeons assertion that I am actively trying to start a fight with you.

@Les. You do realize that the site is averaging around 15 members online a day this month? Do you seriously think that I could possibly believe that almost one third of the site would leave if I told them to?

Now to answer your question...No. It would be absurd to think after you more blatantly trawled for members here and to encourage members awat from here to Spasticity and were a failure, that I would exp[ect your actions would produce better results.
You were not trying to indicate that anyone might believe that were you Butterflies? That would be absurd.

Or perhaps you are saying I am paranoid because i mentioned you have fucked over people (and so people remain cautious with you) and your intentions are questionable. No great surprise. Hell even you took pains in the past to tell everyone you have no conscious boundaries or some bullshit excuse for your behaviours.

And, the bullshit starts again. I didnt fuck anyone over. I know you like to present your opinions as fact, but thats just pathetic.

Sure Butterflies. That whole Elders thing at Odeon about his personal relationships was fair game wasn't it? Or is it Les just "bullshitting"?

For example, the drama that happened a year ago was not good at all. I did not enjoy it, it was also very bad for the site.
However, and forgetting about the morality of what was done

Yes let's not examine morality in fact let's forget. The drama had nothing to do with you and the site benefited immensely for your efforts. Better not questioned. Bothersome boundaries.

Yes. Bullshit is so much truer when its presented in the form of a rambling essay.

I wonder who the gullible fools will be who believe you this time.

Bullshit again? Rambling essay? Or was it me deliberately polarising and simplifying what I saw as Bodie and your perspectives to mock you? I do not doubt that you dislike my humour but to call it everything I say Bullshit is pretty weak. Unless you stop calling it bullshit and people who think that it may echo their perspectives giullible.
I could call everything i hear lies or anything I do not like being said or read, lies too. I am just not that silly.
 

Papiliones: 

Sir Les: 

Oh sorry Lit. Let me translate what I was saying into a more palatable essay.
"Yeah Government sucks. So do the cowardly police. The police, the rich and the politicians of the world should all be shot...no...blown up with home-made explosives, by the citizens of the world, who for a victory celebration should all have an orgy with heaps of ATM. Derp
 

When this thread hits 30 pages, everyone wins a puppy!

You know I will get there.

['Butterflies']

They have each thrown at least one absurd slice of paranoia at me

I am actually wondering about the paranoia angle you are trying for. I am not paranoid of you. I do not think you really have that much influence on the site (perhaps you may have had a bit more back in the day). It seems you have been trying to say that either i am paranoid because i apparently believe you will take heaps of members away. I have clearly refuted this

How on Earth can I possibly remove 4-5 active members here. I'm not totally sure I even have 4-5 friends who still post regularly here, let alone 4-5 people who could be so influenced by me as to leave the site because Im not being entertained.

This almost tops Odeons assertion that I am actively trying to start a fight with you.

@Les. You do realize that the site is averaging around 15 members online a day this month? Do you seriously think that I could possibly believe that almost one third of the site would leave if I told them to?

Now to answer your question...No. It would be absurd to think after you more blatantly trawled for members here and to encourage members awat from here to Spasticity and were a failure, that I would exp[ect your actions would produce better results.
You were not trying to indicate that anyone might believe that were you Butterflies? That would be absurd.

Or perhaps you are saying I am paranoid because i mentioned you have fucked over people (and so people remain cautious with you) and your intentions are questionable. No great surprise. Hell even you took pains in the past to tell everyone you have no conscious boundaries or some bullshit excuse for your behaviours.

And, the bullshit starts again. I didnt fuck anyone over. I know you like to present your opinions as fact, but thats just pathetic.

Sure Butterflies. That whole Elders thing at Odeon about his personal relationships was fair game wasn't it? Or is it Les just "bullshitting"?

For example, the drama that happened a year ago was not good at all. I did not enjoy it, it was also very bad for the site.
However, and forgetting about the morality of what was done

Yes let's not examine morality in fact let's forget. The drama had nothing to do with you and the site benefited immensely for your efforts. Better not questioned. Bothersome boundaries.

Yes. Bullshit is so much truer when its presented in the form of a rambling essay.

I wonder who the gullible fools will be who believe you this time.

Bullshit again? Rambling essay? Or was it me deliberately polarising and simplifying what I saw as Bodie and your perspectives to mock you? I do not doubt that you dislike my humour but to call it everything I say Bullshit is pretty weak. Unless you stop calling it bullshit and people who think that it may echo their perspectives giullible.
I could call everything i hear lies or anything I do not like being said or read, lies too. I am just not that silly.
 

Papiliones: 

Sir Les: 

Oh sorry Lit. Let me translate what I was saying into a more palatable essay.
"Yeah Government sucks. So do the cowardly police. The police, the rich and the politicians of the world should all be shot...no...blown up with home-made explosives, by the citizens of the world, who for a victory celebration should all have an orgy with heaps of ATM. Derp
 

When this thread hits 30 pages, everyone wins a puppy!

You know I will get there.

That is a horrific pile of absolute bullshit Les.

I am actually wondering about the paranoia angle you are trying for. I am not paranoid of you. I do not think you really have that much influence on the site (perhaps you may have had a bit more back in the day).

I never suggested you were scared of me. I am saying that you and Odeon are coming up with paranoid theories about me.

It seems you have been trying to say that either i am paranoid because i apparently believe you will take heaps of members away. I have clearly refuted this

You said clearly that I threatened to take 4-5 members away. I successfully refuted any possibility that I could get 4-5 members to leave.

For example, the drama that happened a year ago was not good at all. I did not enjoy it, it was also very bad for the site.
However, and forgetting about the morality of what was done

Yes let's not examine morality in fact let's forget. The drama had nothing to do with you and the site benefited immensely for your efforts. Better not questioned. Bothersome boundaries.

That is a thoroughly shameless bit of quote altering. You should be ashamed of yourself, especially after Odeon making such a big thing of wrongly claiming I misrepresented Bods post.

 As you can see, "However, and forgetting about the morality of what was done" is the first half of a different paragragh, which you have tacked onto the end of the previous sentence. It was about the Parakeet incident. Here is the full quote:

For example, the drama that happened a year ago was not good at all. I did not enjoy it, it was also very bad for the site.
However, and forgetting about the morality of what was done, the drama with Parakeet was among the funniest "drama" I was involved in. I think it was good drama, or at least, fun drama. I think it livened up the site for a while.

Long bitter feuds may be "drama," but they help nobody. Fun "drama" is IMO good for the site.
This site needs fun "drama" IMO.

Shameful Les, shameful


And just remember Les. You are the only person bringing your friends "personal relationships" into things here. Im sure its worth it for you though

[Queen Victoria]

EVERYONE!

Back to bed, get a good night's sleep and get out of bed on the right side tomorrow.