Presidential debate

[midlifeaspie]

Obama failed to deliver on healthcare

Details please

Congress was partially at fault as well. The AHCFAA passed but there was no Public Option, and then there is the Mandate. Seems like no real change to me and more like business as usual in disguise.

Congress was "partially at fault" for not passing something only they could pass?  When you look at how difficult it was to get anything passed at all, I give him an A for doing what he did.

You are forgetting the power of veto. Why sign a bill into law that you know is not going to really change anything?

If you think the Affordable Care Act didn't "change anything" then I can't debate the topic any further with you as you are woefully misinformed or intentionally ignorant.

[TA]

Obama failed to deliver on healthcare

Details please

Congress was partially at fault as well. The AHCFAA passed but there was no Public Option, and then there is the Mandate. Seems like no real change to me and more like business as usual in disguise.

Congress was "partially at fault" for not passing something only they could pass?  When you look at how difficult it was to get anything passed at all, I give him an A for doing what he did.

You are forgetting the power of veto. Why sign a bill into law that you know is not going to really change anything?

If you think the Affordable Care Act didn't "change anything" then I can't debate the topic any further with you as you are woefully misinformed or intentionally ignorant.

Tell me, what did it change? What did it do other than giving the Insurance companies more power?

[Adam]

I understand not being happy with either candidate in a two party state, but isn't a vote for the little guy a vote for Romney?

Surely it's best to vote for Obama anyway, if only to keep out the lunatic?

Even aside from politics, I believe Obama is a decent guy (as decent as a politician can get ) and he's clearly more intelligent than Romney and most Republicans (I hesitate to say ALL republicans). Actually fuck it, he's clearly more intelligent than any Republicans.

Romney makes me squirm. I just can;t stand the guy at all. Personally I don't see how anyone could ever think of voting Republican. I can't see how anyone would ever vote Tory over here, and the Republicans are way worse than the Tories

[TheoK]

Anarchy ftw 

[midlifeaspie]

Obama failed to deliver on healthcare

Details please

Congress was partially at fault as well. The AHCFAA passed but there was no Public Option, and then there is the Mandate. Seems like no real change to me and more like business as usual in disguise.

Congress was "partially at fault" for not passing something only they could pass?  When you look at how difficult it was to get anything passed at all, I give him an A for doing what he did.

You are forgetting the power of veto. Why sign a bill into law that you know is not going to really change anything?

If you think the Affordable Care Act didn't "change anything" then I can't debate the topic any further with you as you are woefully misinformed or intentionally ignorant.

Tell me, what did it change? What did it do other than giving the Insurance companies more power?

I'm not getting into what this legislation does, how it works, or why the opposition is so up in arms about it that they are now running their third election season based primarily on opposing or repealing it.  The information is out there if you want to look it up yourself.  I simply don't have it in me any more to educate yet another person on this issue.

Suffice it to say that as an insurance executive and a law student, hearing someone way that this law doesn't "do anything" only reinforces my opinion that the general voting public are so ignorant that we are all doomed.

[midlifeaspie]

I understand not being happy with either candidate in a two party state, but isn't a vote for the little guy a vote for Romney?

I don't follow.  Might be another language barrier thing

Here, the "little guy" is the opposite of the "big business".  A vote for Romney is a vote to take money and services away from the "little guy" so the "big business" can ship more American jobs to China and get a tax break for doing it.

[TheoK]

The dilemma with the capitalism being is that it is state capitalism and not true capitalism. That's why most "small guys" are being "robbed".

[Adam]

I understand not being happy with either candidate in a two party state, but isn't a vote for the little guy a vote for Romney?

I don't follow.  Might be another language barrier thing

Here, the "little guy" is the opposite of the "big business".  A vote for Romney is a vote to take money and services away from the "little guy" so the "big business" can ship more American jobs to China and get a tax break for doing it.

"the little guy" usually means the same thing here if talking about small shops compareed to supermarkets etc. I didn't mean in business terms tho there - I meant one of the random non Dem/Rep candidates no one in the rest of the world has heard of

Basically surely the only real options are romney or obama. In which case you need to vote for Obama even if only to keep the lunatic out

[bodie]

  I won't pretend to know a fat lot about American politics.

I think i can safely say,  from the ickle bit of knowledge i have digested, that i would be voting for Obama.

Even if i had no knowledge whatsoever i could never vote for Romney.  He just looks like a used car salesman i once knew.   

[TA]

Obama failed to deliver on healthcare

Details please

Congress was partially at fault as well. The AHCFAA passed but there was no Public Option, and then there is the Mandate. Seems like no real change to me and more like business as usual in disguise.

Congress was "partially at fault" for not passing something only they could pass?  When you look at how difficult it was to get anything passed at all, I give him an A for doing what he did.

You are forgetting the power of veto. Why sign a bill into law that you know is not going to really change anything?

If you think the Affordable Care Act didn't "change anything" then I can't debate the topic any further with you as you are woefully misinformed or intentionally ignorant.

Tell me, what did it change? What did it do other than giving the Insurance companies more power?

I'm not getting into what this legislation does, how it works, or why the opposition is so up in arms about it that they are now running their third election season based primarily on opposing or repealing it.  The information is out there if you want to look it up yourself.  I simply don't have it in me any more to educate yet another person on this issue.

Suffice it to say that as an insurance executive and a law student, hearing someone way that this law doesn't "do anything" only reinforces my opinion that the general voting public are so ignorant that we are all doomed.

It does not do anything that will make a real difference and I know most of the provisions of the law.  With that being said, the only thing that will make a real difference is completely socialized medicine modeled after the NHS of the UK.

["couldbecousin"]

I understand not being happy with either candidate in a two party state, but isn't a vote for the little guy a vote for Romney?

I don't follow.  Might be another language barrier thing

Here, the "little guy" is the opposite of the "big business".  A vote for Romney is a vote to take money and services away from the "little guy" so the "big business" can ship more American jobs to China and get a tax break for doing it.

"the little guy" usually means the same thing here if talking about small shops compareed to supermarkets etc. I didn't mean in business terms tho there - I meant one of the random non Dem/Rep candidates no one in the rest of the world has heard of

Basically surely the only real options are romney or obama. In which case you need to vote for Obama even if only to keep the lunatic out

      I vote Democrat because their candidates have the best chance of
  keeping the right-wing Christians out of office, and that is important to me.

[Adam]

I would do the same too

I'm a Labour Party supporter here. Theyre not perfect, but they're the best of a bad bunch, by far. you're not gonna find a party who agrees with you on every single point, are you? So you may as well go with the most decent one that  stands a chance of making a difference

[Al Swearegen]

What ever happened to Ron Paul?

[Parts]

What ever happened to Ron Paul?

He was running as a Republican and did not do so well.  He could have made a go at running as a third party but did not.

[TA]

What ever happened to Ron Paul?

He was screwed by the Romney morons.

(Not a Paultard)