scandinavians and our impressive naiveness

[ZEGH8578]

a social experiment on tv showed a "reporter" approaching people, simply stating "hi. i am here to control your life. give me your social security number"
most people asked would barely protest once, before surrendering their social security number to someone not giving any reason better than "in order to control you better"

he asked what they voted for, he asked the names of family and friends, and people gave it all up. they looked uncomfortable, they tried to protest at most once per question, but it took almost nothing to make them give it up.

ive often joked that you can mug people without any weapon in norway, and ive often suspected it would be possible for real as well, just walk up to someone and demand they surrender their wallet, "just cus"

we REALLY need a waking up, as a nation
our naiveness shows in other aspects of society, such as how people are being so forgiving of breivik and his massacre. ive long complained how naive we are, compared to other countries, but i really didnt expect people to actually surrender their social security number to some random douchebag telling them to so he can "control them better" :S

[Callaway]

That's awful.  I wonder if people here would refuse to hand over their social security numbers?

[ZEGH8578]

That's awful.  I wonder if people here would refuse to hand over their social security numbers?

im curious as well.

another very interesting thing is a french docu, where they replicated an old cia experiment, where contestants are put to electrocute an unseen counter-contestant, for each "incorrect answer" they provide.
the contestants in the updated french version are led to believe they are trying out a new game show.

the hidden actor screams "in agony", and eventually begins to scream for mercy, "let me out! i dont want to play anymore!"
while a host urges the electrocutioner to continue.
eventually, the actor will quiet altogether, as if dead or severely injured, and upto 70% of the contestants - although in enormous emotional turmoil by then - would keep electrocuting what they now believed was a lifeless person.

in other words, 70% of normal civilians will - against their will, and in great emotional distress - kill someone - for a tv game show.
after each session, the contestants got to meet the actor (who was of course unharmed), and many broke down in tears. one of the FEW who had refused to hurt him any further, couldnt even look at him, and he had to convince her repeatedly that there had never been any real harm done, and that she had performed extraordinary in actually refusing to continue the experiment.

[Callaway]

That's awful.  I wonder if people here would refuse to hand over their social security numbers?

im curious as well.

another very interesting thing is a french docu, where they replicated an old cia experiment, where contestants are put to electrocute an unseen counter-contestant, for each "incorrect answer" they provide.
the contestants in the updated french version are led to believe they are trying out a new game show.

the hidden actor screams "in agony", and eventually begins to scream for mercy, "let me out! i dont want to play anymore!"
while a host urges the electrocutioner to continue.
eventually, the actor will quiet altogether, as if dead or severely injured, and upto 70% of the contestants - although in enormous emotional turmoil by then - would keep electrocuting what they now believed was a lifeless person.

in other words, 70% of normal civilians will - against their will, and in great emotional distress - kill someone - for a tv game show.
after each session, the contestants got to meet the actor (who was of course unharmed), and many broke down in tears. one of the FEW who had refused to hurt him any further, couldnt even look at him, and he had to convince her repeatedly that there had never been any real harm done, and that she had performed extraordinary in actually refusing to continue the experiment.

Wow, I didn't realize that they tried Milgram's experiment again for a TV show.

[Al Swearegen]

I think in the US the reporter would just get shot. But then I watch a lo of voilent US movies. Not my fault 

[ZEGH8578]

That's awful.  I wonder if people here would refuse to hand over their social security numbers?

im curious as well.

another very interesting thing is a french docu, where they replicated an old cia experiment, where contestants are put to electrocute an unseen counter-contestant, for each "incorrect answer" they provide.
the contestants in the updated french version are led to believe they are trying out a new game show.

the hidden actor screams "in agony", and eventually begins to scream for mercy, "let me out! i dont want to play anymore!"
while a host urges the electrocutioner to continue.
eventually, the actor will quiet altogether, as if dead or severely injured, and upto 70% of the contestants - although in enormous emotional turmoil by then - would keep electrocuting what they now believed was a lifeless person.

in other words, 70% of normal civilians will - against their will, and in great emotional distress - kill someone - for a tv game show.
after each session, the contestants got to meet the actor (who was of course unharmed), and many broke down in tears. one of the FEW who had refused to hurt him any further, couldnt even look at him, and he had to convince her repeatedly that there had never been any real harm done, and that she had performed extraordinary in actually refusing to continue the experiment.

Wow, I didn't realize that they tried Milgram's experiment again for a TV show.

i didnt know the english name for it, but yes. they showed footage from the original experiment also.
but yes, its amazing how... "pre-programmed" we humans really are

[renaeden]

That's awful.  I wonder if people here would refuse to hand over their social security numbers?

im curious as well.

another very interesting thing is a french docu, where they replicated an old cia experiment, where contestants are put to electrocute an unseen counter-contestant, for each "incorrect answer" they provide.
the contestants in the updated french version are led to believe they are trying out a new game show.

the hidden actor screams "in agony", and eventually begins to scream for mercy, "let me out! i dont want to play anymore!"
while a host urges the electrocutioner to continue.
eventually, the actor will quiet altogether, as if dead or severely injured, and upto 70% of the contestants - although in enormous emotional turmoil by then - would keep electrocuting what they now believed was a lifeless person.

in other words, 70% of normal civilians will - against their will, and in great emotional distress - kill someone - for a tv game show.
after each session, the contestants got to meet the actor (who was of course unharmed), and many broke down in tears. one of the FEW who had refused to hurt him any further, couldnt even look at him, and he had to convince her repeatedly that there had never been any real harm done, and that she had performed extraordinary in actually refusing to continue the experiment.

This experiment was done as recently as 2009 in the UK. We watched it in one of my Psych classes.

[ZEGH8578]

renaeden, just as fascinating (and worrying) to watch :]

[Osensitive1]

Reminds of a tv show once seen; a guy did similar things using conversaional hypnosis. Is it something like that?

[ZEGH8578]

Reminds of a tv show once seen; a guy did similar things using conversaional hypnosis. Is it something like that?

ummmm i dont know

you dont need hypnosis _at all_ in this example tho.
it is simply the biological human relation to any authority figure, from "the scientist" in charge, to even "the tv host" in charge. as long as a human percieves an authority to be "in charge", they will follow any order, down to killing someone for the purpose of entertainment - as long as the authority figure seems to insist

[Al Swearegen]

Reminds of a tv show once seen; a guy did similar things using conversaional hypnosis. Is it something like that?

ummmm i dont know

you dont need hypnosis _at all_ in this example tho.
it is simply the biological human relation to any authority figure, from "the scientist" in charge, to even "the tv host" in charge. as long as a human percieves an authority to be "in charge", they will follow any order, down to killing someone for the purpose of entertainment - as long as the authority figure seems to insist

I am fucked then as an example of huminty because i automatically resist authority and question it. Has got me in trouble in the past.

[ZEGH8578]

Reminds of a tv show once seen; a guy did similar things using conversaional hypnosis. Is it something like that?

ummmm i dont know

you dont need hypnosis _at all_ in this example tho.
it is simply the biological human relation to any authority figure, from "the scientist" in charge, to even "the tv host" in charge. as long as a human percieves an authority to be "in charge", they will follow any order, down to killing someone for the purpose of entertainment - as long as the authority figure seems to insist

I am fucked then as an example of huminty because i automatically resist authority and question it. Has got me in trouble in the past.

you might have asperger syndrome

[odeon]

I watched a Top Gear episode the other day. Jay Leno was the guest, and he joked about the many speed cameras in the UK, pointing out that in California, people would just pick up their guns and shoot at them.

Authorities only have authority if you let them.

I know, it's not that simple, but mindsets differ.

["couldbecousin"]

That's awful.  I wonder if people here would refuse to hand over their social security numbers?

 I think most of us would, having heard so much about identity theft ... UNLESS we were told it was an anti-terrorism measure. 

[Squidusa]

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