The reason for my (lack of) hostility towards Benji

["couldbecousin"]

  I'll tell the maintenance guys at work about you.  They'll set a trap.

I expect nothing less from a bunch of squatters. 

The first ten centuries are always the hardest.

Don't you be coming over here either. 

  He can if he wants to.  The says so. 

[Gopher Gary]

  I'll tell the maintenance guys at work about you.  They'll set a trap.

I expect nothing less from a bunch of squatters. 

The first ten centuries are always the hardest.

Don't you be coming over here either. 

  He can if he wants to.  The says so. 

Who does that French bitch think she is anyway? 

["couldbecousin"]

  Clearly the gopher is un-American, and should piss off to Peru or somewhere. 

    Look at the contrast.    America wins.  America always wins.

[odeon]

Peru is a nice place to be. Just ask the Wikileaks guy.

["couldbecousin"]

Peru is a nice place to be. Just ask the Wikileaks guy.

  Off goes the gopher!  It'll be a new adventure! 

[Gopher Gary]

Why are you still here? 

["couldbecousin"]

Why are you still here? 

  I'm defending what's mine!

[DirtDawg]

Which is not to say that the British did not change.

Of course and we are both still working on it all.

[Gopher Gary]

Why are you still here? 

  I'm defending what's mine!

What's yours is mine, and what's mine is mine. 

[benjimanbreeg]

I'd also say that Africans have more right to the country over Europeans. 

Where the fuck do you get that shit??  Europeans were here almost 10,000 years ago.

Europeans chose to go there, Africans were forced.  I'm not talking about ancient history anyway, but modern borders and ethnic groups.

Then by your own logic, Blacks should be patriotic to Africa, not America.

Oooh, of course African immigrants who came here willingly are exempt from this??

Duh.  That's what people like Muhammad Ali were talking about in the 70's. 

No dumbass they are obviously African too, you can't choose your ethnic group, even though Jacko tried. 

[benjimanbreeg]

What false narrative?

The false narrative is that a handful of criminals somehow represent the mentality of a nation.

Let Pappy answer himself.  Where does it say that the whole nation hates Muslims?  I just used the article to show that 9/11 stemmed the modern day Muslim hating, didn't say the whole country or world hates them but the US is definitely the worst for that i'd say, even though it's like half of the country is "liberal" and "left wing".  I do think Europe is catching up though, just look at the rise in votes for plastic nationalist parties.

Can post whatever I want, and Pappy is free to answer you if he wishes. The article refers to hate crime as a miasma, which implies an general oppressive stench in the air, stating specific instances of murderous hate crime have sent a message which has convinced millions of people their values are defendable at all costs, and portrays nations as speaking a language of violence which manifests as acts of violence and governments are slow to condemn those who do it. That's a lot more eloquent than saying it's pervasive, but the message is still there. You didn't specifically say the world or a country hates muslims, but you did say the average man on the street thinks of them mainly as terrorist. Have gotten the impression Nationalism and Patriotism don't mean the same thing in the US as other countries; they're not really synonymous with racism or separatism, so not viewed as a negative thing and there's a lot of it. So sometimes think people mistake national pride and patriotism in Americans as something it isn't. Understand why you used the article, and agree, in the US 9/11 is the reason for the increase in muslim victimization, but don't necessarily believe it stands out different or worse, or even much more likely, than any other minority victimization. Wouldn't be surprised if it's more of a problem in the UK than the US, because the US has long been ethnically diverse and multicultural, but European countries have a long history of being difficult for outsiders to gain permanent access or citizenship and now that's changed.

The only genuine nationalism in the US comes from the Native Americans.   I'd also say that Africans have more right to the country over Europeans.  I'm not exactly sure what the US has to be proud about.  Really?  Trump's success seems to have come from his anti-Muslim stance.  And look at all the wars involving the US against the Muslim world which around half the country supports.  Also the way viewers were crying and clapping at the end of "American Sniper" around the country.  The people of the US have always been coerced into hating/being scared of their main 'enemies".

How many generations do you think is the absolute minimum for genuine nationalism?

Perhaps you should ask that to "African Americans".

I'm asking you.

If a dog's born in a stable does it become a horse? 

[benjimanbreeg]

What false narrative?

The false narrative is that a handful of criminals somehow represent the mentality of a nation.

Misguided passion vs logic.  I declare logic the winner 

Just going back to this...  Can you not be logical and passionate at the same time?  When you say "logic", you mean what you agree with? 

[benjimanbreeg]

Your argument is along the lines of a squatter defending the homes they stole, or a bunch of squatters from different countries defending the home they stole, which isn't really quite the same as the home owner defending their homes. 

Your argument is along the lines that no descendent of any migrant can ever be considered a legitimate part of any nation.

Americans will never be able to live down slavery because the Europeans constantly have guilt pumped into them by the Zio Joo elite, same with Germans, hence why they end up doing cartwheels and cheering when a million Africans and Arabs pour into their country.  And you prove the point by just mentioning "the Joooz".  Germans slaughtered the disabled, Soviets and Gypsies too.

It will never be lived down as long as anyone believes descendants are perpetrators.

They can live there or visit, but it doesn't mean they are native to the land. 

And I don't think you are a perpetrator, you should not be blamed for what your ancestors did. 

[benjimanbreeg]

I already acknowledged plastic nationalism.

This entire side of the globe are considered an ex-settler colony nations. Is this just about US European settlers and the Indians, or are Mexicans really just Spaniards, Brazilians are really just Portuguese, Canidans really just French and Brittish, and so on?

Basically yep. 

[benjimanbreeg]

Which is not to say that the British did not change.

Of course and we are both still working on it all.

We're worse than we've ever been.