People's views regarding transpeople

[Rissy]

Looks to me like you're saying it with such hollowness and no consideration for what renaeden has been going through because of you. You freely admit and accept it's entirely your fault, fine. But you do realize exactly what you've done to her, right?

Are you suggesting that renaeden needs such a terrible person in her life? Do you want to list everything she's done wrong to her? Is there a point to bringing it up, or are you just acting like what people are making me out to be?

[GalileoAce]

But you do realize exactly what you've done to her, right?

More than you will.

[Rissy]

Then start backing up your shit.

What do you want backed up? You have to specify which statements you weren't satisfied with?

[odeon]

Then start backing up your shit.

What do you want backed up? You have to specify which statements you weren't satisfied with?

Where to begin... Read the post I made, the one that sent GA into orbit, and tell me exactly how I am seeing transgendered people as inferior to those who aren't simply because I refuse to allow them to redefine what a woman (in GA's case) or a man is. You might also want to explain how I am being disrespectful by not blindly accepting the pronouns you are attempting to shove down in our throats, just because it makes you feel better but me like telling the sky is pink when it is blue. Following the same logic, tell me why you aren't being disrespectful to me for wanting me to go against the definitions I feel match the world I can observe.

A word of advice: don't choose the puppet line of defence re altering the brain because it will make you look daft.

Of course, Al's been asking you to back up the claims you made re trolling and whatnot, and you haven't been doing any of that either.

Mainly, why would you get to define those pronouns when your ideas are based on those of a very small minority?

[Calavera]

Looks to me like you're saying it with such hollowness and no consideration for what renaeden has been going through because of you. You freely admit and accept it's entirely your fault, fine. But you do realize exactly what you've done to her, right?

Are you suggesting that renaeden needs such a terrible person in her life? Do you want to list everything she's done wrong to her? Is there a point to bringing it up, or are you just acting like what people are making me out to be?

What are people making you out to be, Rissy? Something more than just an online punching bag?

And isn't it interesting that you're the one suggesting Kayleigh's a terrible person? Not that I disagree or anything. But that makes you a cissexist.

[benjimanbreeg]

Who is Rissy? 

[Callaway]

Who is Rissy? 

GA's IRL friend.  Rissy says close friend; GA says not so close.

[odeon]

Who is Rissy? 

Some white knight here to defend GA.

[benjimanbreeg]

   so not GA with a proxy?

[TheoK]

GA should learn to be

[GalileoAce]

Where to begin... Read the post I made, the one that sent GA into orbit, and tell me exactly how I am seeing transgendered people as inferior to those who aren't simply because I refuse to allow them to redefine what a woman (in GA's case) or a man is. You might also want to explain how I am being disrespectful by not blindly accepting the pronouns you are attempting to shove down in our throats, just because it makes you feel better but me like telling the sky is pink when it is blue. Following the same logic, tell me why you aren't being disrespectful to me for wanting me to go against the definitions I feel match the world I can observe.

Linguistically speaking a pronoun is a placeholder for a name. So instead of "Odeon", we could say "he". In the sentence the "he" refers to you. Thus it's your pronoun. Just as Odeon is your name. To refer to you as she or it or they or any other pronoun would be disrespecting you, in the same way as deliberating calling you by a name that is not your own. The pronoun is a placeholder for the name of the subject. It is not a placeholder applied by the 3rd party, but rather it is intrinsic to the person to whom it refers.

I am Kayleigh. I am a female for social purposes. It's appropriate to refer to me using feminine pronouns as that is my identity. And as they are my pronouns I have the right to decide what they should and should not be, just as you would yourself.

This has nothing to do with perception or definition, but rather identity. I identify as a female. I do not identify as a male.


On the matter of definition I would suggest that you expand your horizons a little to include intersex people, and the recent research studies into the 5 sexes. The definitions of "man" and/or "woman" are not as clear cut as you seem to understand them to be.

To apply a wholly physical definition of woman (or man for that matter) is not only factually inaccurate, but it also disrespects not only trans people, but also intersex people, and women (or men) in general. You narrow the definition and restrict the freedom of identification. What starts out as a logically reasoned opinion quickly becomes a sexist attitude.

[GalileoAce]

  so not GA with a proxy?

Why would I do that?

[Semicolon]

Where to begin... Read the post I made, the one that sent GA into orbit, and tell me exactly how I am seeing transgendered people as inferior to those who aren't simply because I refuse to allow them to redefine what a woman (in GA's case) or a man is. You might also want to explain how I am being disrespectful by not blindly accepting the pronouns you are attempting to shove down in our throats, just because it makes you feel better but me like telling the sky is pink when it is blue. Following the same logic, tell me why you aren't being disrespectful to me for wanting me to go against the definitions I feel match the world I can observe.

Linguistically speaking a pronoun is a placeholder for a name. So instead of "Odeon", we could say "he". In the sentence the "he" refers to you. Thus it's your pronoun. Just as Odeon is your name. To refer to you as she or it or they or any other pronoun would be disrespecting you, in the same way as deliberating calling you by a name that is not your own. The pronoun is a placeholder for the name of the subject. It is not a placeholder applied by the 3rd party, but rather it is intrinsic to the person to whom it refers.

I am Kayleigh. I am a female for social purposes. It's appropriate to refer to me using feminine pronouns as that is my identity. And as they are my pronouns I have the right to decide what they should and should not be, just as you would yourself.

This has nothing to do with perception or definition, but rather identity. I identify as a female. I do not identify as a male.


On the matter of definition I would suggest that you expand your horizons a little to include intersex people, and the recent research studies into the 5 sexes. The definitions of "man" and/or "woman" are not as clear cut as you seem to understand them to be.

To apply a wholly physical definition of woman (or man for that matter) is not only factually inaccurate, but it also disrespects not only trans people, but also intersex people, and women (or men) in general. You narrow the definition and restrict the freedom of identification. What starts out as a logically reasoned opinion quickly becomes a sexist attitude.

What studies? Do you have links?

[benjimanbreeg]

  so not GA with a proxy?

Why would I do that?

You tell me 

[Frolic_Fun]

Where to begin... Read the post I made, the one that sent GA into orbit, and tell me exactly how I am seeing transgendered people as inferior to those who aren't simply because I refuse to allow them to redefine what a woman (in GA's case) or a man is. You might also want to explain how I am being disrespectful by not blindly accepting the pronouns you are attempting to shove down in our throats, just because it makes you feel better but me like telling the sky is pink when it is blue. Following the same logic, tell me why you aren't being disrespectful to me for wanting me to go against the definitions I feel match the world I can observe.

Linguistically speaking a pronoun is a placeholder for a name. So instead of "Odeon", we could say "he". In the sentence the "he" refers to you. Thus it's your pronoun. Just as Odeon is your name. To refer to you as she or it or they or any other pronoun would be disrespecting you, in the same way as deliberating calling you by a name that is not your own. The pronoun is a placeholder for the name of the subject. It is not a placeholder applied by the 3rd party, but rather it is intrinsic to the person to whom it refers.

I am Kayleigh. I am a female for social purposes. It's appropriate to refer to me using feminine pronouns as that is my identity. And as they are my pronouns I have the right to decide what they should and should not be, just as you would yourself.

This has nothing to do with perception or definition, but rather identity. I identify as a female. I do not identify as a male.


On the matter of definition I would suggest that you expand your horizons a little to include intersex people, and the recent research studies into the 5 sexes. The definitions of "man" and/or "woman" are not as clear cut as you seem to understand them to be.

To apply a wholly physical definition of woman (or man for that matter) is not only factually inaccurate, but it also disrespects not only trans people, but also intersex people, and women (or men) in general. You narrow the definition and restrict the freedom of identification. What starts out as a logically reasoned opinion quickly becomes a sexist attitude.

I thought you left i2 already. Can you kindly please continue getting the fuck out?