If we all just admit to being cis-sexist will she go away? Will that be a "win", and she and GA can carry on with their lives in the peace and comparative security of ... wherever they fuck off to?
You don't even have to admit it but if you can't respect transpeople, what the hell do you care? I'm calling people on offensive behavior. I don't think this forum cares who gets offended by their views, but people still
inform them when they are offending others.
I'm not trying to make you care, I'm just calling you out on it. If someone wants to argue how transpeople should be treated, that's a seperate subject. odeon kind of brought that subject up but now wishes to tl;dr instead of continue it. Swearengen is on the edge of bringing up the topic.
I'm just responding. If people didn't continue to argue with me, this could of ended at tits. I've already said that the majority of people here aren't cissexist, and most people have said they would treat someone they loved/cared for in a non-cissexist way. But Swearengen and Semicolon is still unhappy with my argument so I'm still here solidify my argument to them. As they are asking of me.
Some beliefs are more valid than others. 1 + 1 = 2 is more valid than 1 + 1 = 3.
Wrong! 1 + 1 = 10
The context isn't the decimal system, it's binary. And in a context where decimal 2 is represented by the symbol 3, then 1 + 1 = 3 is true. You take so many beliefs for granted, and that's where your objectivity fails. You make assumptions on what is real and what is imagined. You then base you arguments on hypothetical foundations. Mutual agreement is not an argument because you're presuming that your environment and those around you are real. There is no way to universally prove anything so the only way to make sense of anything is to make assumptions. It's all about the context. And science vs religion fails because you're not on the same page. You've based your reality on different assumptions and you're only right in your own little world
If anyone was trolling it was your good friend Kayleigh. My reply fitted the context beautifully I think and I think that the only one who thinks different is you.
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You both can be said to be trolling. But Kayleigh was ranting and preaching. Your 'fuck off Kayleigh' replies were made to upset her into leaving. You are free to disagree with my use of the word, but it is a fair use of the word.
Now you made what "may" seem like a decent argument in the "If they don't use "the right" pronouns, then they are cissexist. as it is "infraction-worthy. The act of doing do makes them cis-sexist." (Paraphrased)
However under any reasonable scrutiny this falls down doesn't it?
"If they don't use a prescribe set of pronouns =/= they think transgendered people are inferior"
No it simply doesn't mean that at all. People could use pronouns other than what you prescribe and not think any the less of transgendered people, nor think them inferior.
Are those people cis-sexist?
botty-burp is all about cissexual/cisgender priveledge. I'm sure Kayleigh has posted it before but I can't blame you for not wanting to read it. The difference between botty-burp and transphobia is like the difference between heterosexism and homophobia, or maybe sexism and misogyny/misandry. It's generally about pettier things and the difference in how the other side is treated more favourably. Compare it to white priveledge or male priveledge or whatever. If a cisperson has their gender identity respected but a transperson doesn't,
they are being treated inferior to a cisperson. Ignorance or apathy isn't an excuse. There are plenty of people don't think black people are inferior to white people, but they still avoid black people and favor white people. If you've ever watched the italian movie Black and White/Bianco e nero, it had a father proclaimed to like black people but in truth only fetishized black females. Actions kind of speak louder than words and thoughts. And it's not like it's an over-all bad trait. But it's offensive to some people. And in calling some people cissexist, I only mean to point out offensive behavior.
