People's views regarding transpeople

[RageBeoulve]

I was oozing sarcasm. I see all this as a big joke.

[Adam]

OK I agree with you then, except I don't see religion as being in the same category. I see it in the same kinda area as political persuasion

I mean, it's alright to attack nazis, right?  (and no I'm not saying christians or muslims are as bad as or similar to nazis - that is an extreme example)

[RageBeoulve]

Does it matter, Soph? Just do what you feel is right.

[Adam]

I don't think it matters. But I will definitely stand my corner if i think I'm being accused of being a hypocrite

But yeah, it doesn't matter really. My position here isn't gonna change I don't think

[midlifeaspie]

OK I agree with you then, except I don't see religion as being in the same category. I see it in the same kinda area as political persuasion

I mean, it's alright to attack nazis, right?  (and no I'm not saying christians or muslims are as bad as or similar to nazis - that is an extreme example)

So, you feel it is possible for you to choose your political persuasion?  If you wanted to you could become a social conservative?

[Adam]

OK I agree with you then, except I don't see religion as being in the same category. I see it in the same kinda area as political persuasion

I mean, it's alright to attack nazis, right?  (and no I'm not saying christians or muslims are as bad as or similar to nazis - that is an extreme example)

So, you feel it is possible for you to choose your political persuasion?  If you wanted to you could become a social conservative?

It's not about choice here - it's about whether it is WHO a person is or WHAT a person is. Someone's political or religious beliefs say somethign about WHO they are.

You are tellign me you don't judge someone if they are a nazi?

[midlifeaspie]

OK I agree with you then, except I don't see religion as being in the same category. I see it in the same kinda area as political persuasion

I mean, it's alright to attack nazis, right?  (and no I'm not saying christians or muslims are as bad as or similar to nazis - that is an extreme example)

So, you feel it is possible for you to choose your political persuasion?  If you wanted to you could become a social conservative?

It's not about choice here - it's about whether it is WHO a person is or WHAT a person is. Someone's political or religious beliefs say somethign about WHO they are.

You are tellign me you don't judge someone if they are a nazi?

I will answer your question when you actually answer mine. 

[Adam]

OK I agree with you then, except I don't see religion as being in the same category. I see it in the same kinda area as political persuasion

I mean, it's alright to attack nazis, right?  (and no I'm not saying christians or muslims are as bad as or similar to nazis - that is an extreme example)

So, you feel it is possible for you to choose your political persuasion?  If you wanted to you could become a social conservative?

It's not about choice here - it's about whether it is WHO a person is or WHAT a person is. Someone's political or religious beliefs say somethign about WHO they are.

You are tellign me you don't judge someone if they are a nazi?

I will answer your question when you actually answer mine. 

I didn't tthink you actually seriously expected an answer, sorry - No, I probably couldn't choose to become socially conservative. But again, that's beside the point

[odeon]

OK I agree with you then, except I don't see religion as being in the same category. I see it in the same kinda area as political persuasion

I mean, it's alright to attack nazis, right?  (and no I'm not saying christians or muslims are as bad as or similar to nazis - that is an extreme example)

Why do you insist on defining groups to attack?

[Adam]

I don't

iirc you were the one who brought up muslims earlier in the thread. And seemed to be accusing me of being a hypocrite for being against transphobia but thinking it's ok to take the piss out of muslims.

I'm explaining why I think there's a difference between attacking who someone is and what someone is

[odeon]

OK I agree with you then, except I don't see religion as being in the same category. I see it in the same kinda area as political persuasion

I mean, it's alright to attack nazis, right?  (and no I'm not saying christians or muslims are as bad as or similar to nazis - that is an extreme example)

So, you feel it is possible for you to choose your political persuasion?  If you wanted to you could become a social conservative?

It's not about choice here - it's about whether it is WHO a person is or WHAT a person is. Someone's political or religious beliefs say somethign about WHO they are.

You are tellign me you don't judge someone if they are a nazi?

GA's fanaticism about something he probably should be a little more secure about tells me a lot about WHO he is.

[odeon]

I don't

iirc you were the one who brought up muslims earlier in the thread. And seemed to be accusing me of being a hypocrite for being against transphobia but thinking it's ok to take the piss out of muslims.

I'm explaining why I think there's a difference between attacking who someone is and what someone is

A difference that you think is there but I don't. Bigotry remains the same regardless of what or whom you attack.

[midlifeaspie]

I didn't tthink you actually seriously expected an answer, sorry - No, I probably couldn't choose to become socially conservative. But again, that's beside the point

Whether you can see it or not, it is exactly on point.  It is just as difficult (or impossible) for a religious Muslim to change their world view as it is for you to change yours.  You will want to argue about which world view is "right" or more intellectual or where the view comes from or how it is formed, but these are all irrelevant points when it comes down to changing them.  If we admit that these views are unlikely to change, how are they any less inherent to the person than their gender or sexuality?

[Adam]

OK I agree with you then, except I don't see religion as being in the same category. I see it in the same kinda area as political persuasion

I mean, it's alright to attack nazis, right?  (and no I'm not saying christians or muslims are as bad as or similar to nazis - that is an extreme example)

So, you feel it is possible for you to choose your political persuasion?  If you wanted to you could become a social conservative?

It's not about choice here - it's about whether it is WHO a person is or WHAT a person is. Someone's political or religious beliefs say somethign about WHO they are.

You are tellign me you don't judge someone if they are a nazi?

GA's fanaticism about something he probably should be a little more secure about tells me a lot about WHO he is.

That's her individually though. Like I've said already, there's nothing wrong with criticising a person for their beliefs or views or how they act. That's not transphobia.

Also, while I personally think she is actually pretty secure now bout how she is, it wouldn't be surprising for a trans person to be insecure imo, given how it is treated by society

[Adam]

I don't

iirc you were the one who brought up muslims earlier in the thread. And seemed to be accusing me of being a hypocrite for being against transphobia but thinking it's ok to take the piss out of muslims.

I'm explaining why I think there's a difference between attacking who someone is and what someone is

A difference that you think is there but I don't. Bigotry remains the same regardless of what or whom you attack.

Including nazis?