Guns, your opinions?

[DukeNukem]

With great firepower, comes great responsibility.

[TheoK]

imo this is the same as politics.

you CANNOT say "communism is correct for the entire planet, from siberia to the amazon basin" or "capitalism is correct for the entire planet, from dakar to ayers rock" you simply CANNOT.

same goes with gun laws.
norway has its own fragile little system where _nobody_ has guns. cops dont carry guns, and criminals dont carry guns. its a very very fragile little balance. introduce guns to either of these parties, and we're all suddenly packing.

personally, i like guns, check my gun-chart in the submissions forum, ive always loved guns, and i own 5 replicas, and im THRILLED airsoft replicas are legal in norway (they werent a few years ago)
i got several favorite guns, submachineguns and rifles, one of my favorite rifles i got the honor of popping off in the (mandatory) military :]
but despite MY love for guns, i wouldnt want guns to be legalized further in norway, simply cus theyre too many morons who would "play bad" with them.

Well, you do have guns, like in Sweden, though, also like in Sweden, just for hunting and target shooting with compulsory shooting club membership and shit for the "privilege" to do the latter. Unlike Sweden your cops usually don't carry guns, and thus your criminals also rarely carry guns.

[Zippo]

imo this is the same as politics.

you CANNOT say "communism is correct for the entire planet, from siberia to the amazon basin" or "capitalism is correct for the entire planet, from dakar to ayers rock" you simply CANNOT.

same goes with gun laws.
norway has its own fragile little system where _nobody_ has guns. cops dont carry guns, and criminals dont carry guns. its a very very fragile little balance. introduce guns to either of these parties, and we're all suddenly packing.

personally, i like guns, check my gun-chart in the submissions forum, ive always loved guns, and i own 5 replicas, and im THRILLED airsoft replicas are legal in norway (they werent a few years ago)
i got several favorite guns, submachineguns and rifles, one of my favorite rifles i got the honor of popping off in the (mandatory) military :]
but despite MY love for guns, i wouldnt want guns to be legalized further in norway, simply cus theyre too many morons who would "play bad" with them.

Well, you do have guns, like in Sweden, though, also like in Sweden, just for hunting and target shooting with compulsory shooting club membership and shit for the "privilege" to do the latter. Unlike Sweden your cops usually don't carry guns, and thus your criminals also rarely carry guns.

the bottom line is cops should not need guns, cops should be used for things like trafic stops and elementary school lectures. when guns become involved there should be a special unit such as SWAT on standby. 24-7. cops already power trip enough we dont need more unjustified police shootings. last time i talked to a cop he had his hand on his firearm and the snap undone simply because i was wearing a chain of light machine-gun rounds and a hockey mask around the small down town core here [roughly half a km across highest building is two stories] this is a small island, it was NOT one of the local cops. i had no fire arms on me, it was obvious that the shells were for show, to big to be a concealed arm. unlike the belts kids wear that they buy from hot-topic with imitation 9mm/.45 shells on them.

yes i know i was being an idiot. but the point is he was ready to shoot on sight even though i was obviously not armed. i had a knife in my pocket yes. it was a two hand opener and a two hand closer... he tried to "confiscate" it until i managed to talk him into giving it back to me when we were done, and in the end he still kept in in his pocket as he drove off, when i saw him do a second lap around the road i was on i had to step in front of his car to get him to stop and give me the bloody 200$ knife back. owned it since i was 12. bloody copper wanted it for his own use. but when a guys wearing tight close and has no pack and is walking around with light machine-gun shells on him. if hes not carrying a light machine-gun then there is NO reason for him to be treated as a threat. which is the exact oposite of the treatment i got... f%$#ing laws about cops with guns need to be re-made because if civilians cant cary arms then normal police officers with there 4-6 weeks of "training" should not either.

[TheoK]

 

It actually was like that once in Sweden. The cops were unarmed until 1927, the same year they licensed most firearms for private citizens...

[Zippo]

 

It actually was like that once in Sweden. The cops were unarmed until 1927, the same year they licensed most firearms for private citizens...

i live in canada with gluey, where the cops are corrupt mother fuckers. you wouldn't think it from the LIES we spread about are country but they are.

[lutra]

Guns? Weapons in general? Is it okay to carry a weapon around in public? And why does someone want to?

Well, carrying them around in public.. I think it's either fear or madness. Either you feel the need to seriously want to protect yourself.. against what, I wonder.... or someone carrying, is out to harm an other.. with such an intention doing such.

Well.. I live in Holland (small country yet a pretty crowded place) and guns in public? By law okayed? Yeah, yeah, police carry weapons here and some of them are obviously as moronic as a cauliflower.

Yet, on the other hand.. I love good quality knives.. and own a few. Also held a handgun, saw the beauty of the thing, shot it.. and, yeah.. that was pretty impressive.. but still..

.. I think I'm better off living in a society where weapons in public are not accepted.

[TheoK]

Guns make you 

I think one of the reasons that the Yanks rule most of the planet is that they love guns and are so agressive.

Better ask yourself why an honest citizen should not be allowed to own guns without restrictions and carry them everywhere. The criminals don't care about gun laws.

[ZEGH8578]

Guns make you 

I think one of the reasons that the Yanks rule most of the planet is that they love guns and are so agressive.

Better ask yourself why an honest citizen should not be allowed to own guns without restrictions and carry them everywhere. The criminals don't care about gun laws.

this argument forgets _gun availability_

norway is a perfect example. guns are simply _too hard to come by_ for most petty criminals, who otherwise (such as in america) would be packing.

[lutra]

@ TheoK..

Circle reasoning, I say. Um, and back at ya.. Why should an honest, no mal-intented meaning, chap have to carry a 'piece'  around? Why? What for?

Irl, if you have 'beef' with me.. say so.. Let's go outside and take all of our clothes off.. (oink?).. and street-wise fight each other..

Well, point here.. cowards tend to carry weapons in public.. and yeah, probably have tiny dicks too (carrying.. to compensate.. maybe?)

Well, again.. I love some armoury myself too, but.. (fight, if needed, as equal opponents.. )

[TheoK]

Guns make you 

I think one of the reasons that the Yanks rule most of the planet is that they love guns and are so agressive.

Better ask yourself why an honest citizen should not be allowed to own guns without restrictions and carry them everywhere. The criminals don't care about gun laws.

this argument forgets _gun availability_

norway is a perfect example. guns are simply _too hard to come by_ for most petty criminals, who otherwise (such as in america) would be packing.

You have the wrong starting-point to begin with, which I find strange, since you call yourself an nihilist anarchist.

Why should anyone be allowed to determine anything for you in the first place? It's not like someone in a modern state ever chose the system that they are governed by today.

As an anarchist it should also be self-evident to you that the greatest criminal organisation there ever was is the state.

[ZEGH8578]

Guns make you 

I think one of the reasons that the Yanks rule most of the planet is that they love guns and are so agressive.

Better ask yourself why an honest citizen should not be allowed to own guns without restrictions and carry them everywhere. The criminals don't care about gun laws.

this argument forgets _gun availability_

norway is a perfect example. guns are simply _too hard to come by_ for most petty criminals, who otherwise (such as in america) would be packing.

You have the wrong starting-point to begin with, which I find strange, since you call yourself an nihilist anarchist.

Why should anyone be allowed to determine anything for you in the first place? It's not like someone in a modern state ever chose the system that they are governed by today.

As an anarchist it should also be self-evident to you that the greatest criminal organisation there ever was is the state.

my "anarchist" title is sortof tongue-in-cheek, as you can see its combined with political affiliations, which is also technically impossible.
THAT SAID
my main concern is MY survival.
in a pure odds-game my chances are better in a society where petty criminals dont have a ready access to guns.

the firearm traverses human nature, just like the automobile.
a drunken rage, for example, could much more easily turn into murder with the access to guns than without, with someones bare fists,
_some_ rules are good, such as - dont drive drunk. dont allow Formula-1 cars on civilian roads, etc.
these are rules we wouldnt have to concern ourselv with, were we naked in the jungle :]

[Zippo]

Guns? Weapons in general? Is it okay to carry a weapon around in public? And why does someone want to?

Well, carrying them around in public.. I think it's either fear or madness. Either you feel the need to seriously want to protect yourself.. against what, I wonder.... or someone carrying, is out to harm an other.. with such an intention doing such.

Well.. I live in Holland (small country yet a pretty crowded place) and guns in public? By law okayed? Yeah, yeah, police carry weapons here and some of them are obviously as moronic as a cauliflower.

Yet, on the other hand.. I love good quality knives.. and own a few. Also held a handgun, saw the beauty of the thing, shot it.. and, yeah.. that was pretty impressive.. but still..

.. I think I'm better off living in a society where weapons in public are not accepted.

if i could i would carry a handgun concealed. actually despite popular beliefe, in canada it is not illegal to cary concealed for protection of self. you just need a govt issued permit to legally do so and they have decided to only issue them to two people. group A. being armoured guards. eg VIP protection services, those money trucks that deliver and take money from the bank, so on and so forth. and people who live in a hostile climate... such as living in the bush up north where bear and cougar roam free and pray on little children who misbehave...
and as for carrying knives concealed. its weather the cop that catches you with it thinks its a weapon or a tool. if weapon you get it confiscated and possibly charged. if tool you get to keep it with a little slap on the wrist lecture about how it could be considered a weapon. if its a single blade knife, one hand opener, again you get the point. the case with my knife mentioned above was a cop who just wanted my knife because in no way to they have to report it, they are supposed to but its at the officers discretion and who's going to believe a guy who got pulled over by a police officer for some pitiful law that makes no sense and then "Claims" the cop stole his knife as "revenge"... at least they would make it look that way. i do cary a knife on me at all times, i constantly practice using it. mostly fancy tricks and such, get a feel for the thing. so if i ever DID need to use it... assuming what i needed to use it against was close enough. i could use it, but it is ultimately a tool and treated as such.

Circle reasoning, I say. Um, and back at ya.. Why should an honest, no mal-intented meaning, chap have to carry a 'piece'  around? Why? What for?

Irl, if you have 'beef' with me.. say so.. Let's go outside and take all of our clothes off.. (oink?).. and street-wise fight each other..

Well, point here.. cowards tend to carry weapons in public.. and yeah, probably have tiny dicks too (carrying.. to compensate.. maybe?)

Well, again.. I love some armoury myself too, but.. (fight, if needed, as equal opponents.. )

i have been in street fights as young as 12 years. they are not fun but i would do that over a gun or knife fight any day. if someone challenged me to a street fight and i was packing i would give my peace to a trusted person, be it a bar tender or a friend. and then go kick there ass. last person who got into a fight with me ended up using the road as a wash cloth to clean the skin off there face. it was him who challenged me. i dont look for conflict but when conflict comes to me i will deal with it accordingly.  lets assume someone pulls a piece on me point blank. well i know how to disarm them without drawing and then empty THERE gun into them. its simple to do really. this is why you never rob someone from the front at point blank. say someone draws from a distance though?. then im going to have to get behind cover be it the indent that leads to a door in a comercial building, a garbage bin, a car. and draw myself... if i dont have that option im fucked. if i just stand there im fucked... at least i would have a CHANCE with a concealed weapon then with nothing. but as i again said earlier, if i could pack i would protect myself and my family alone. if a group of kids tried to beat my sister i would have no problem drawing on them. my sister is 13 and is really small.. roughly 4 &1/2 ft tall. if not shorter. shes not strong. the only thing she has on her side is speed. and that does not help when theres 4 guys beating you down... i have been there i would know. now if i drew. i could easily scare them off without having to fire a single round. if they advance then i have roughly 7 to 10 rounds to disbatch said individuals, i could even fire a few shots into the ground at a steep angle so the bullet would not recoche before i opened on them, if not giving my sis the time to run off but also call the police so i dont even have to put down anyone, thats assuming theres a squad car in the general vicinity. guns dont even have to be lethal to get the job done. they just have to be in the hands of someone who knows how to use them. there is more then one way to solve a problem with the same tool.

[TheoK]

You can't get most Europeans to understand this. The Swiss understand it, and the Czechs, but most Europeans simply cannot get it into their heads. There have been draconic gunlaws and gun-hating propaganda here for decades.

[Osensitive1]

Well, point here.. cowards tend to carry weapons in public.. and yeah, probably have tiny dicks too (carrying.. to compensate.. maybe?) 

Can't help but always to enjoy the freudian gun analogy. They do make me feel kind of pointy.

[Scrapheap]

I can remember being in Arizona legaly walking down the street with a .45 ACP straped to my hip in plain sight.