Let's talk about cctv again

[Osensitive1]

[Osensitive1]

FFS go read 1984 again untill you get it.         

When they start putting CCTV in people's houses then I'll agree with you

Thought this was the old thread when first reading this. Would swear this is verbatim.

[Adam]

It is pretty much what I said in the last thread, yes. And I stand by it.

That article doesn't really explain who or how is going to be under surveillance. They are actually putting cameras inside people's homes without their permission? I find it hard to believe no one knows about this if that is the case

[Semicolon]

It is pretty much what I said in the last thread, yes. And I stand by it.

That article doesn't really explain who or how is going to be under surveillance. They are actually putting cameras inside people's homes without their permission? I find it hard to believe no one knows about this if that is the case

Do you propose that the story has been faked? I cited two different articles from two different publications as sources.

When they start putting CCTV in people's houses then I'll agree with you

It's happening.

[Parts]

It is pretty much what I said in the last thread, yes. And I stand by it.

That article doesn't really explain who or how is going to be under surveillance. They are actually putting cameras inside people's homes without their permission? I find it hard to believe no one knows about this if that is the case

"At risk"  families So given your attitude toward the child protective services would you want to say no and risk them just taking your kids or trust them to figure out if you where "at risk"

[Adam]

It is pretty much what I said in the last thread, yes. And I stand by it.

That article doesn't really explain who or how is going to be under surveillance. They are actually putting cameras inside people's homes without their permission? I find it hard to believe no one knows about this if that is the case

Do you propose that the story has been faked? I cited two different articles from two different publications as sources.

When they start putting CCTV in people's houses then I'll agree with you

It's happening.

I don';t believe the articles were fakes. But exactly what kind of people are having these cameras put in their homes? I have never heard of this before

[Adam]

It is pretty much what I said in the last thread, yes. And I stand by it.

That article doesn't really explain who or how is going to be under surveillance. They are actually putting cameras inside people's homes without their permission? I find it hard to believe no one knows about this if that is the case

"At risk"  families So given your attitude toward the child protective services would you want to say no and risk them just taking your kids or trust them to figure out if you where "at risk"

So you CAN say no?

[Semicolon]

Here is the original press release issued by the Home Office on their web site.

Government calls for tough family intervention to prevent youth crime

Wednesday, 22 Jul 2009

Alan Johnson, Jack Straw and Ed Balls are today calling on local authorities to crack down on out-of-control families who need to be challenged to prevent their children getting involved in anti-social behaviour, crime and violence.

Twelve months on from the £100m The Youth Crime Action Plan (YCAP) (new window), Ed Balls and Alan Johnson are today writing to all local authorities in England asking them to expand and accelerate Family Intervention Projects (FIPs) (new window) which, in the last year alone, have challenged and supported over 2,300 families to turn their behaviour around. Councils and police have reported that FIPs are an excellent way of preventing and tackling crime and anti-social behaviour. Building on this success, an additional £6m from the Department of Health (new window) will fund dedicated health workers alongside every FIP in the country over the next two years.

The government is also today setting out future plans for turning around Youth Offending Teams (YOTs) (new window) where there are serious concerns. Whilst many YOTs are doing a good job identifying and working with young people who are one step away from the courts, Ministers are clear that there is no room for failure when it comes to protecting the public from crime.

The government is keen to get tough on failing YOTs because they play such a crucial role in preventing and tackling youth crime and anti-social behaviour in their areas. The proposed changes to the law would give the government powers to intervene in YOTs if an inspection finds serious problems by:

    * directing local council leaders to make significant changes to the YOT, including removing staff from post if necessary
    * imposing targets requiring YOTs to improve
    * sending in a team of youth justice experts to help improve practice.

The further actions to tackle youth crime are part of the government’s YCAP One Year On publication (new window) which is focused on three key areas:

    * preventing young people offending by tackling problems such as alcohol or truancy early and providing positive and exciting things for them to do, particularly on Friday and Saturday nights
    * more support to address causes of bad behaviour including non-negotiable support for families whose children are getting into trouble and to tackle the difficulties lying behind their poor behaviour
    * tough enforcement, involving police working closely with other services on the streets and punishments that local communities have confidence in.

Statement from the Home Secretary

Alan Johnson said, 'Today is an important milestone in our fight against youth crime. We have made real progress and early indicators show it is making a really positive difference to the lives of young people and communities across the country.

'But we are not complacent. There is still much work to be done and looking ahead to the next year I am committed to ensuring our young people and communities are on the right track and our streets remain safe for everyone.

'We know that the vast majority of young people recognise right from wrong and make a positive contribution to our society. There are a minority however who persist in anti-social behaviour and some in more serious criminal activity – their behaviour will not be tolerated.'
Statement from the Justice Secretary

Jack Straw said, 'Tackling youth crime is a key priority for this government. We have made significant progress. The latest figures show a drop of 10% in the number of young people entering the justice system and that frequency of re-offending has fallen by over 23%.

'Youth Offending Teams play a crucial part in helping youngsters turn away from a life of crime. That is why I am determined to step in where YOTs are failing our young people. While many YOTs undoubtedly do a very effective job, we must be able to address areas where problems arise.

'By directing local authorities to revamp YOTs, imposing targets for improvement, and even sending in a team of youth justice experts to help improve practice, I believe that we can turn them around.

'The Youth Crime Action Plan has greatly strengthened our work. We must build on what we have achieved to increase the confidence of communities, families and young people.'
Statement from the Children, Schools and Families Secretary

Ed Balls said, 'Prevention is not the soft option – Family Intervention Projects constantly confront and challenge the parents and children they work with to change their behaviour. The families know that if they don’t use this support they could risk losing their home, go to court, prison or youth custody. We have already got tough on over 2000 families in the last year, preventing them from committing more serious offences. That’s why the Home secretary and I are writing to all local authorities to get them to step up their actions by expanding and accelerating FIPs in their areas.

'I’m delighted that the figures show that the triple track approach of tough enforcement, non-negotiable support and early intervention and prevention is successful. Over 120,000 young people have been saved from getting involved in or being the victims of crime. But we still need to do more.

'I am determined that there should be no room for failure with youth offending teams and we are looking to strengthen the government’s intervention powers so that we can direct councils to make the substantial improvements that are necessary to protect the public and prevent re-offending.'
Further action

More than 128,300 young people have benefited from YCAP in the last year, potentially diverting them from committing, or becoming the victim of, crime. And 15,944 of them were referred on to other specialist services to address their behaviour.

The vast majority of young people are law-abiding and make a positive contribution to their communities. But a small minority commit crime and behave anti-socially with devastating impact for victims, families and communities.

Other action over the next 12 months includes work to:

    * undertake annual consultation with local communities on what reparation work young offenders should undertake in their area
    * ensure parents take proper responsibility for the poor behaviour of their children, including making sure that there is an assessment of parental need for all children being considered for an ASBO and introducing mandatory parenting support when a child breaches an ASBO
    * change the way front line practitioners work with parents, so they don’t take no for an answer when a parent refuses support
    * continue £900m investment from Aiming High for Young People which is providing positive activities, facilities and resources for young people across the country at all times but especially on Friday and Saturday nights
    * increase the drive to bear down on serious youth violence, including on knives and gangs, with £5m of additional investment in the Tackling Knives Action Programme in 16 areas
    * give further support for young victims of crime backed by new investment in priority areas.

Funding

The first of the new ‘Youth Crime FIPs’ were set up following YCAP last year - funding was made available for a FIP in every local authority, targeting families where young people are at risk of offending. Ministers are highlighting the benefits of FIPs and making sure local authorities use the money available. Local authorities can make savings by using FIPs – some families cost their local community up to £250,000 each year in police and court time or eviction and rehousing. The additional money to fund a health professional working with every FIP will ensure families who need help to address their underlying health problems, for example alcohol or drug abuse, will get the specific support they need.

YCAP was launched in July last year in 69 areas and is a cross-government initiative with a triple track approach of tough enforcement where behaviour is unacceptable or illegal; non-negotiable support to address the underlying causes of poor behaviour and early intervention to tackle problems before they become serious or entrenched.

Core YCAP  activities between November 2008 and June 2009 have included:

    * after school patrols to prevent youth crime and antisocial behaviour (ASB) at peak times (64,017 young people were engaged during 15,292 patrols at around 1,632 schools, with 2,497 referrals to other services)
    * Operation Staysafe – using safeguarding powers to take children off the streets at night and return them to a safe place (581 operations carried out with 15,957 young people removed  to a place of safety and 1,455 referred to other services)
    * street based youth teams – engaging young people hanging around (deployed 5,944 times and engaged with 47,306 young people)
    * youth offending team workers in custody suites to identify and address young offenders’ needs early on and help keep them on the right track (1,117 young people engaged with and 611 referrals to other services between)
    * pay back work in leisure time (including Friday and Saturday nights) – making young offenders feel the consequences of their behaviour. Also, greater community involvement in identifying pay back work and more feedback to communities on the work that has been completed  (6,600 sessions completed)
    * family intervention projects - intensive and persistent support for ‘chaotic’ families with children at risk of committing crime/ASB
    * Think Family - providing a framework for adults and children’s services to work together to improve identification and support to families at risk (Think Family is currently being introduced into every local authority area).

A £24.1m fund was split among the 69 YCAP areas in May this year to help build on this success and roll out innovative schemes across the country like Operation Staysafe, after school police patrols and street based youth teams.
Notes to editors

View the Youth Crime Action Plan and One Year On publication (new window).

There are opportunities for journalists to visit YCAP projects across the 69 areas to see its delivery first hand.

Interviews with young people who have benefited from YCAP can be organised through the Home Office Press Office.

Local Authority officials directly involved with on the ground delivery of YCAP, including youth workers, in the 69 areas are available for interview.

Numbers of families reached by Family Intervention Projects are as recorded on a national monitoring system managed by the National Centre for Social research. The health worker will make sure that every person in the family receives appropriate support and treatment to ensure improved health and well-being and support the FIP to achieve positive behaviour changes and improve outcomes for families. Early evidence on the effectiveness of FIPs can be seen on the Department for Children, Schools and Families website: National Centre for Social research (2008) (new window)

YOTs are made up of  probation services, social services, health, education and the police. Young people usually come into contact with YOTs at the final warning stage (one step away from court). Youth Inclusion Panels target 50 young people most at risk of committing crime or anti-social behaviour. YOTs supervise young people through the criminal justice system, delivering community sentences and coordinating local services for convicted young people to seek to ensure that they do not offend again.

The 69 YCAP areas are:

North East: Darlington, Durham, Gateshead, Hartlepool, Middlesbrough, Newcastle upon Tyne, North Tyneside, Redcar and Cleveland, South Tyneside, Stockton on Tees and Sunderland.

North West: Blackburn and Darwen, Blackpool, Bolton, Halton, Knowsley, Lancashire, Liverpool, Manchester, Oldham, Rochdale, Salford, St Helens, Tameside, Trafford, Wigan and Wirral.

Yorkshire and Humberside: Barnsley, Bradford, Doncaster, Kingston upon Hull, Kirklees, Leeds, North East Lincolnshire, North Lincolnshire, Rotherham, Sheffield and Wakefield.

East Midlands: Derby, Leicester and Nottingham.

West Midlands: Birmingham, Coventry, Sandwell, Stoke on Trent and Walsall.

London: Camden, Hackney, Hammersmith and Fulham, Haringey, Islington, Lambeth, Lewisham, Newham, Southwark, Tower Hamlets, Croydon, Greenwich and Barking and Dagenham.

South East: Brighton and Hove, Portsmouth, Slough and Southampton.

South West: Bournemouth, Bristol, Plymouth and Torbay.

The East: Peterborough and Southend-on-Sea.

The Tackling Knives Action Programme (TKAP) (new window) represents part of YCAP’s response to emerging challenges around serious youth violence, particularly knife crime. Starting last summer the Home Office is today publishing a report into the work undertaken in the initial 10 areas.

For further details please contact the Home Office Press Office on 020 7035 3535.

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It is pretty much what I said in the last thread, yes. And I stand by it.

That article doesn't really explain who or how is going to be under surveillance. They are actually putting cameras inside people's homes without their permission? I find it hard to believe no one knows about this if that is the case

"At risk"  families So given your attitude toward the child protective services would you want to say no and risk them just taking your kids or trust them to figure out if you where "at risk"

So you CAN say no?

You must have something to hide then

[Osensitive1]

It is pretty much what I said in the last thread, yes. And I stand by it.

Nevermind me. Just being weird and noticing things out loud.

[Adam]

It is pretty much what I said in the last thread, yes. And I stand by it.

That article doesn't really explain who or how is going to be under surveillance. They are actually putting cameras inside people's homes without their permission? I find it hard to believe no one knows about this if that is the case

"At risk"  families So given your attitude toward the child protective services would you want to say no and risk them just taking your kids or trust them to figure out if you where "at risk"

So you CAN say no?

You must have something to hide then

Not wanting CCTV cameras in your bedroom doesn't mean you have somethign to hide. Unlike in public where anyone can see you.

And semicolon, thanks. I will read that now

[Adam]

Right I know I'm lazy but where is the stuff about putting cameras in people's homes in that? I'm watching tv at the same time and I admit I did just skim it

[Parts]

It is pretty much what I said in the last thread, yes. And I stand by it.

That article doesn't really explain who or how is going to be under surveillance. They are actually putting cameras inside people's homes without their permission? I find it hard to believe no one knows about this if that is the case

"At risk"  families So given your attitude toward the child protective services would you want to say no and risk them just taking your kids or trust them to figure out if you where "at risk"

So you CAN say no?

You must have something to hide then

Not wanting CCTV cameras in your bedroom doesn't mean you have somethign to hide. Unlike in public where anyone can see you.

And semicolon, thanks. I will read that now

But if you deny them that is what will be assumed.  If you have nothing to hide why worry they do have professionals watching not like they would take advantage

[Adam]

But if you deny them that is what will be assumed.  If you have nothing to hide why worry they do have professionals watching not like they would take advantage

No way. Pretty much ANYONE would refuse having cameras put in their homes like that. It wouldn't be assumed they had anythig to hide. There is a huge difference between privacy in your home and what you do in public

[Osensitive1]

Why doesn't the press release mention the cameras?