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Re: Banned again from WP
« Reply #150 on: October 06, 2010, 06:04:00 AM »
I think Meadow may end up very like me in some ways, but I think it is too soon for her to get there yet...if I had faced and resigned myself so young I would have missed a hell of a lot of pain and stress, but I would also have "missed the dance".

(Not that there is much chance of Meadow resigning herself while PPK does such a STERLING PR job for the human race!  :'(  )



Meadow reaps what she sows. She came here behaving like a rabid skunk sniping at people who tried to be nice to her. Will you hold her to any standard of polite discourse, or do you just expect everyone else to walk on eggshells for poor widdle Meadow's benefit?

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Re: Banned again from WP
« Reply #151 on: October 06, 2010, 06:20:47 AM »
Oh I got plenty, but you don't see me being a fucking baby about it. And now, I have said what -I- needed to say.

You could never survive what I did. You would have pissed yourself and died.
I woulda done just fine, because I know how to move on. If you have the energy to whine, then you have enough to change something.

You're a puss.
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I am the passion; I am the warfare.
I will never stop...
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Re: Banned again from WP
« Reply #152 on: October 06, 2010, 07:08:17 AM »
Many see Meadow as being whiny.
The truth is this is a rough little pub. Niceties and support are left on the doorstep and combative natures and rough and tumble left to prosper.
Then again everyone coming here knows that so coming to I2 for support is like going to a brothel for love. it just doesn't work too well usually.
PPK is in his right and his element. His form is what this place is based on. He fits right in.
Meadow at the moment is not so much BUT I have to say that at the very least she is hanging in there and whilst no one is going to openly encourage that. It is one thing that is actually respected here.
"Back your words and take what's coming to you. Challenge and be challenged." (Paraphrased) PPK certainly does and most here do.


All this I know...and incompatibility cuts both ways too, because I am pretty sure that in seeing Meadow as being "whiny" many are actually thoroughly misinterpreting her (as they always do me unless I stick to abstracts)..and she is, in turn, misinterpreting their replies...

See what I mean? Incompatible...but that doesn't mean Meadow is wrong, or I2 is wrong, just that it is the wrong place for her to belong (though there is no reason not to visit from time to time).

Isn't a culture of "being respected for hanging in in the face of abuse" perilously close to those weird Japanese "endurance" reality TV programs?
 
I can honestly never see the point...isn't there enough pain in this world without volunteering for more of it to be accepted?

Ok, your group dynamic, not knocking, just remarking... cos it's not my business...but if I hung aroung in the face of all that unless I had to for some other reason I would come out the other end feeling as if I had been practising a silly form of self harm (but then I feel the exact same way about most sports and athletics too).

No I do hear you and I don't completely disagree. It is a weid little community but I guess makes sense in a funny way.Certainly no less than a lot of other Aspie sites and the one I feel most comfortable with.
As to Meadow? I dunno tbh. Again she is hanging in there which is about half way there. Will in time she laugh and "join in ", in the spirit of things? Too early I guess to tell but I don't think anyone here is mortally offended by her.
I can guarantee neither PPK nor Rage is and were they, and it showed as evident, they in turn would get heckled. It is the general flow of this place.
I can tell you that this was set up as an alternative to Wrongplanet and a place where the type of duplicitous and self-immobilising nature of self-pity was fostered. Where censoring thoughts and ideas was rife and bans all too common for all too little.
It certainly has its place.
Works for me and for others and I think that PPK's 'Harden up" approach has some benefit for Aspies. Life is tough. Always has been for me and always will be and I suspect similarly for most Aspies. Toughening up and being able to back yourself fully and learn to defend your words are very much more of merit. That is my take and i am a little bit biased.  ;D
I2 today is not i2 of yesteryear. It is a knitting circle. Those that participate be they nice or asshats know their place and the price to be there. Odeon is the overlord

.Benevolent if you toe the line.

Think it is I2 of old? Even Odeon is not so delusional as to think otherwise. He may on occasionally pretend otherwise but his base is that knitting circle.

Censoring/banning/restricting/moderating myself, Calanadale & Scrapheap were all not his finest moments.

How to apologise to Scrap

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Re: Banned again from WP
« Reply #153 on: October 06, 2010, 08:29:03 AM »
Hardening up is the only way. I sir, HAVE been through a lot of crap in the past. I know from experience that hardening the fuck up is the only way to get over it. Whining isn't.

Things only change if you DO something.
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Re: Banned again from WP
« Reply #154 on: October 06, 2010, 08:40:01 AM »
Ah Rage isn't on my block list either...I just don't quite know what to say to him except that if I were in his shoes I'd want to do a BIT more research on what things are before committing myself to being able to recover from them, in case the fates thought it would be fun to put me to the test...and they DO that stuff...

Like I say, not my community, and not for me to even presume to request change...but I DO think the "hardening up" argument is fatally flawed...most of us get enough punishment quite spontaneously to "harden" us up and drive us to retreat to the edge of pseudo psychopathy (and, in some cases, clean over it) anyway...this sort of stuff only reinforces that, and I cannot see how that is a good thing, overall, and in the long term.

Pseudo psychopathy is painless, but it is also, isolating, very, VERY boring...and, as an afterthought, not totally "humanity friendly".

I can do "hard" in a good cause, but I would honestly rather die than harden up the whole way, even with my life at stake...because half of me could not live with the hybrid thing I would become...

Now that is just me for sure...and I am something of a special case because half my family are clinically psychopathic and the whole family dynamic was always built around their mindset...that was the first "normal" I knew...and just like anyone else, I had to do a proper rebellion as soon as I hit puberty...

Is that the same, or at least similar, under more normal circumstances?

Search me, I think that is for each individual to decide for themselves, but I cannot, in my guts, think it will ever bring out the best in ANYBODY to take on a role that is exclusively devoted to, essentially, attacking and hurting others...it gets to be a habit, like a drug, and leaves no room for the good stuff like compassion, or even joy...that is surely like volunteering to have the better half of yourself amputated... 



I see this place as a bit of a release valve at worse and a place to hang with my mates at best.

In real life my mates are the type of mates who will say Horribly mean and nasty stuff to each other as fun and expect it back. I don't know if it is part of my country WA culture of whatever. Anyhow there was my Fat little Hobbit mate and my Wookie with a receding hairline mate, My dumb Pollack mate, So it goes. I was the old man amoung them and so various aspersions on my age were thrown up at any opportunity.
When I came out as on the spectrum. There was no teasing about it. It was completely absent. They avoided the topic.
I felt uncomfortable without the teasing. Really bad. Little by little they bought up different questions about autistic and how it affected or didn't affect me and again usually "sideways" kind of drop in touched on conversation after a couple of drink and always serious and respectful.
I can't tell you how uncomfortable it was and worse i felt i could not give them a hard tie about anything as they were not reciprocating.
Finally one of them around all my other mates, at a party opened the door and called out "Rossco you Autistic midget @$%!!"
Everyone went dead silent. Including him and I burst out laughing and hugged him and slapped him on the back, grabbed his grog off him and welcomed him in calling him something equally horrid and everyone laughed and I was no longer off limits.
Not to say they always targeted my condition any more than my age or whatever but it was no longer a taboo.

These same mates leading up to this point had also noticed that I was not self-conscious about it nor demanding anything different from our friendship than before so they learned. They accommodated me when they could, and if they noticed an opportunity to,and without asking. If I had of asked they probably would have said no :P

In many ways I feel like the people here at I2 are similar to my mates in WA. They "keep it real" they don't pander to emo-ness and are good with copping flack and giving it. My mates in WA were tough, honest, loyal and good people. Again I see the similarities here and have made this board my home.
I2 today is not i2 of yesteryear. It is a knitting circle. Those that participate be they nice or asshats know their place and the price to be there. Odeon is the overlord

.Benevolent if you toe the line.

Think it is I2 of old? Even Odeon is not so delusional as to think otherwise. He may on occasionally pretend otherwise but his base is that knitting circle.

Censoring/banning/restricting/moderating myself, Calanadale & Scrapheap were all not his finest moments.

How to apologise to Scrap

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Re: Banned again from WP
« Reply #155 on: October 06, 2010, 08:51:07 AM »
I've had my chest cavity layed open with a knife. Not childbirth, but it might have killed me.  ;)

Also I don't care if you're male or female. If you're an adult, hardening up and getting on with your life is the only way, unless you're just a loser that accepts defeat and winds up mooching off the government or something. Life goes on, and society isn't set up for people who are too weak to go with it.
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They will always see that in my eyes.
I am the passion; I am the warfare.
I will never stop...
always constant, accurate, and intense."

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Re: Banned again from WP
« Reply #156 on: October 06, 2010, 09:21:31 AM »
There are places she can go besides here.
In here so long as I guess she realises what this is and isn't she may find it easier on herself in adapting to the culture.
www.intensitysquare.com is the front page to this forum and outlines what this place is and isn't.
If she is expecting it to be vastly different she is letting herself down I think.
If she takes on the combative expectation and the backing words and whatever....well, I dunno.
It depends on her ultimately and what she is hoping out of it but I don't think these guys are gonna change for her.
I2 today is not i2 of yesteryear. It is a knitting circle. Those that participate be they nice or asshats know their place and the price to be there. Odeon is the overlord

.Benevolent if you toe the line.

Think it is I2 of old? Even Odeon is not so delusional as to think otherwise. He may on occasionally pretend otherwise but his base is that knitting circle.

Censoring/banning/restricting/moderating myself, Calanadale & Scrapheap were all not his finest moments.

How to apologise to Scrap

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Re: Banned again from WP
« Reply #157 on: October 06, 2010, 09:26:28 AM »
what IS this discussion about!?!??? :S

i realize "communication" is important, but come on :S sometimes a "fuck off" in either direction says all someone needs to say..

i mean, if someones not into correspondence-flaming (which i personally find rather entertaining :zoinks:)
« Last Edit: October 06, 2010, 09:28:11 AM by ZEGH8578 »

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Re: Banned again from WP
« Reply #158 on: October 06, 2010, 09:32:32 AM »
I do a bit of everything. Right now, I inspect machine parts.
"I’m fearless in my heart.
They will always see that in my eyes.
I am the passion; I am the warfare.
I will never stop...
always constant, accurate, and intense."

  - Steve Vai, "The Audience is Listening"

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Re: Banned again from WP
« Reply #159 on: October 06, 2010, 09:35:15 AM »
i mooch off the gvt  :zoinks:

but in all genuine honesty, i feel totally spectacular about it. plus i wrote 2000 epic pages that i intend to corrupt society with, as much as possible.

gvt feeds me, and im gonna bite its hand! cus i can! thats how ive been placed here, and thats how im gonna roll
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Re: Banned again from WP
« Reply #160 on: October 06, 2010, 09:38:13 AM »
i mooch off the gvt  :zoinks:

but in all genuine honesty, i feel totally spectacular about it. plus i wrote 2000 epic pages that i intend to corrupt society with, as much as possible.

gvt feeds me, and im gonna bite its hand! cus i can! thats how ive been placed here, and thats how im gonna roll
*pose*

 :plus:  for amusing me on this rainy, gloomy day!  :rofl:
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Re: Banned again from WP
« Reply #161 on: October 06, 2010, 09:39:55 AM »
i mooch off the gvt  :zoinks:

but in all genuine honesty, i feel totally spectacular about it. plus i wrote 2000 epic pages that i intend to corrupt society with, as much as possible.

gvt feeds me, and im gonna bite its hand! cus i can! thats how ive been placed here, and thats how im gonna roll
*pose*

 :plus:  for amusing me on this rainy, gloomy day!  :rofl:

i do truly hope that ill get far enough to have my stuff translated

then im gonna whooooooore it out to you people sooooooooo badly  :angel:

lately (2-3 years) im mostly busy w obsessive perfectioning tho, the story IS perfect, ill change nothing, small tweaks, sharpen it a bit here and there, theyre mostly grammar, commas, things like that. over 2000 pages, youve no idea how many tiny errors i find...
it took me 2 years to write, and ive read the entire thing 3 or 4... i dont even know :D times... im PRETTY confident i have cleared most tweakery now, but ill probably give it yet another read-over before i begin to browse for publishers

the way i see it, theres no point in sending stuff in, and then get comments on typographical errors..
« Last Edit: October 06, 2010, 09:42:26 AM by ZEGH8578 »

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Re: Banned again from WP
« Reply #162 on: October 06, 2010, 09:40:55 AM »
i mooch off the gvt  :zoinks:

but in all genuine honesty, i feel totally spectacular about it. plus i wrote 2000 epic pages that i intend to corrupt society with, as much as possible.

gvt feeds me, and im gonna bite its hand! cus i can! thats how ive been placed here, and thats how im gonna roll
*pose*

 :plus:  for amusing me on this rainy, gloomy day!  :rofl:

i do truly hope that ill get far enough to have my stuff translated

then im gonna whooooooore it out to you people sooooooooo badly  :angel:

Just don't expect MY flaky ADD ass to read 2,000 pages of anything!  :zoinks:
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Re: Banned again from WP
« Reply #163 on: October 06, 2010, 09:44:08 AM »
I'd sooner die than take a handout.
"I’m fearless in my heart.
They will always see that in my eyes.
I am the passion; I am the warfare.
I will never stop...
always constant, accurate, and intense."

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Re: Banned again from WP
« Reply #164 on: October 06, 2010, 09:45:03 AM »
i mooch off the gvt  :zoinks:

but in all genuine honesty, i feel totally spectacular about it. plus i wrote 2000 epic pages that i intend to corrupt society with, as much as possible.

gvt feeds me, and im gonna bite its hand! cus i can! thats how ive been placed here, and thats how im gonna roll
*pose*

 :plus:  for amusing me on this rainy, gloomy day!  :rofl:

i do truly hope that ill get far enough to have my stuff translated

then im gonna whooooooore it out to you people sooooooooo badly  :angel:

Just don't expect MY flaky ADD ass to read 2,000 pages of anything!  :zoinks:

heeeeeeeeeey
its not so bad really

its the first time i write anything longer than 10 pages, and i read 4 books my whole life. im not a book person ;]

i wrote in in such a way that made it comfortable for me to write, ergo also comfortable to read, in the form of very many - but short chapters. allowing you to read 5-10 pages, before the nice lull where you can slide in the bookmark

w no real literary experience, ive mostly had myself in mind as a reader, what i'd lol at, and find cool to read. i love my own stuff  :zoinks: but i also got good feedback.
you could at least give it a shot >:I