Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion

[odeon]

Ah. The druggie bigot is making excuses.

[FourAceDeal]

I really can't make any head space spare for this discussion.  It's simply not worth it.

[Minister Of Silly Walks]

Has anyone worked out yet that trying to combat violent extremism with bombs and stuff just creates more violent extremism.

Someone hazarded a guess further up the thread that about 0.3% of Muslims are extremists. You can try to kill all of those extremists and you might even take out a bit chunk of them along with a huge number of non-extremists. But in the process you will stir up enough hatred that you'll likely drag a chunk of the 99.7% of Muslims in the non-extremist camp into the extremist camp, and end up in a worse situation than you were in when you started.

Sound familiar?

[FourAceDeal]

Has anyone worked out yet that trying to combat violent extremism with bombs and stuff just creates more violent extremism.

Someone hazarded a guess further up the thread that about 0.3% of Muslims are extremists. You can try to kill all of those extremists and you might even take out a bit chunk of them along with a huge number of non-extremists. But in the process you will stir up enough hatred that you'll likely drag a chunk of the 99.7% of Muslims in the non-extremist camp into the extremist camp, and end up in a worse situation than you were in when you started.

Sound familiar?

Well you can prove anything by using facts.

[Al Swearegen]

Has anyone worked out yet that trying to combat violent extremism with bombs and stuff just creates more violent extremism.

Someone hazarded a guess further up the thread that about 0.3% of Muslims are extremists. You can try to kill all of those extremists and you might even take out a bit chunk of them along with a huge number of non-extremists. But in the process you will stir up enough hatred that you'll likely drag a chunk of the 99.7% of Muslims in the non-extremist camp into the extremist camp, and end up in a worse situation than you were in when you started.

Sound familiar?

Oh that is terrific logic there. I have a better idea. Let's take it to the next level.

Let all Muslims go unpoliced. Seriously who wants to risk being called a bigot, why not just exempt anyone who is Muslim of any of the laws that bind a community? I think any terrorist attacks or crimes of violence ought to be waved away. I do not think attacks like the one at Nice, France or at the Ariana Grande concert or in Brussels ought to be either investigated nor the perpetrators stopped. They will surely get bored eventually from killing people. You should not hurt them as they are trying to murder citizens because otherwise other Muslims may not like it and may call you a bigot.

Minister of Funny Walks logic is funny.

[FourAceDeal]

Oh that is terrific logic there. I have a better idea. Let's take it to the next level.

Let all Muslims go unpoliced. Seriously who wants to risk being called a bigot, why not just exempt anyone who is Muslim of any of the laws that bind a community? I think any terrorist attacks or crimes of violence ought to be waved away. I do not think attacks like the one at Nice, France or at the Ariana Grande concert or in Brussels ought to be either investigated nor the perpetrators stopped. They will surely get bored eventually from killing people. You should not hurt them as they are trying to murder citizens because otherwise other Muslims may not like it and may call you a bigot.

Minister of Funny Walks logic is funny.

You're getting remarkably close to the legal/illegal bomb thing again.

[Al Swearegen]

Oh that is terrific logic there. I have a better idea. Let's take it to the next level.

Let all Muslims go unpoliced. Seriously who wants to risk being called a bigot, why not just exempt anyone who is Muslim of any of the laws that bind a community? I think any terrorist attacks or crimes of violence ought to be waved away. I do not think attacks like the one at Nice, France or at the Ariana Grande concert or in Brussels ought to be either investigated nor the perpetrators stopped. They will surely get bored eventually from killing people. You should not hurt them as they are trying to murder citizens because otherwise other Muslims may not like it and may call you a bigot.

Minister of Funny Walks logic is funny.

You're getting remarkably close to the legal/illegal bomb thing again.

What "thing" is that and what is your understanding of that thing?

[FourAceDeal]

Al seems to have forgotten "The Bomb Thing".

I'll post it again for you Al, because reading it is still as funny as fuck.   

Britain has been a victim of bombings from at least IRA conflict. I remember there was a spate of them, including on a double decker bus, some years ago. I remember not long ago little kids were blown to bits in a popstar concert.

No this issue is not solved. There is not the same bombing instances or culture in UK.

We thankfully know that if we ban bombs and make them illegal there wont be any more bombings. That is what they shoyld do.

If they have done this, then we may have to reassess the notion that banning weapons that potentially causes death and/or controlling it will not prevebt bad people from doing bad things and ignoring illegaility.

Maybe preventative measures and better mental health services and such is better than banning weapons from decent people who would not abuse them and bad people who will any way?

Of course it may be reasonable to do a bit of  both but I wonder whether goung to "ban them ban them" as people have a wont to do, is the reasonable course of action

[Minister Of Silly Walks]

Has anyone worked out yet that trying to combat violent extremism with bombs and stuff just creates more violent extremism.

Someone hazarded a guess further up the thread that about 0.3% of Muslims are extremists. You can try to kill all of those extremists and you might even take out a bit chunk of them along with a huge number of non-extremists. But in the process you will stir up enough hatred that you'll likely drag a chunk of the 99.7% of Muslims in the non-extremist camp into the extremist camp, and end up in a worse situation than you were in when you started.

Sound familiar?

Oh that is terrific logic there. I have a better idea. Let's take it to the next level.

Let all Muslims go unpoliced. Seriously who wants to risk being called a bigot, why not just exempt anyone who is Muslim of any of the laws that bind a community? I think any terrorist attacks or crimes of violence ought to be waved away. I do not think attacks like the one at Nice, France or at the Ariana Grande concert or in Brussels ought to be either investigated nor the perpetrators stopped. They will surely get bored eventually from killing people. You should not hurt them as they are trying to murder citizens because otherwise other Muslims may not like it and may call you a bigot.

Minister of Funny Walks logic is funny.

Nice straw man there. That's almost a next-level straw man. Impressive.

Here's how you take it to the next level. Figure out what feeds extremism, and what starves extremism. Use that as the starting point for your next course of action.

In the next lesson I may be gracious enough to expand upon that. Or I might just try to counter your lack of argument by imagining some ridiculous extrapolation of your comments. At this stage I am undecided. Stay tuned.

[Lestat]

Quite, which is why I'm going to suggest everybody abandon hope of odeon's rehabilitation. Really, it's his own suggestion, to quote 'bigots will be bigots', after all.

[Al Swearegen]

Has anyone worked out yet that trying to combat violent extremism with bombs and stuff just creates more violent extremism.

Someone hazarded a guess further up the thread that about 0.3% of Muslims are extremists. You can try to kill all of those extremists and you might even take out a bit chunk of them along with a huge number of non-extremists. But in the process you will stir up enough hatred that you'll likely drag a chunk of the 99.7% of Muslims in the non-extremist camp into the extremist camp, and end up in a worse situation than you were in when you started.

Sound familiar?

Oh that is terrific logic there. I have a better idea. Let's take it to the next level.

Let all Muslims go unpoliced. Seriously who wants to risk being called a bigot, why not just exempt anyone who is Muslim of any of the laws that bind a community? I think any terrorist attacks or crimes of violence ought to be waved away. I do not think attacks like the one at Nice, France or at the Ariana Grande concert or in Brussels ought to be either investigated nor the perpetrators stopped. They will surely get bored eventually from killing people. You should not hurt them as they are trying to murder citizens because otherwise other Muslims may not like it and may call you a bigot.

Minister of Funny Walks logic is funny.

Nice straw man there. That's almost a next-level straw man. Impressive.

Here's how you take it to the next level. Figure out what feeds extremism, and what starves extremism. Use that as the starting point for your next course of action.

In the next lesson I may be gracious enough to expand upon that. Or I might just try to counter your lack of argument by imagining some ridiculous extrapolation of your comments. At this stage I am undecided. Stay tuned.

Any ideology can become distorted and all it needs is someone who is willing to be selective and view every aspect of an ideology in the worst and most repulsive light AND they will do all of this with moral indignation.

I do not agree with much of John Stewart but here is something he gets 100% on in his comedic assassination of Glenn Beck.

This points out the way extremism works in ideologies.



You will note here that again I am happy to agree with someone I disagree with on MANY things and doing so does not endorse everything they say, right?

[odeon]

Quite, which is why I'm going to suggest everybody abandon hope of odeon's rehabilitation. Really, it's his own suggestion, to quote 'bigots will be bigots', after all.

Druggie's talking about rehabilitation. The irony.

[Lestat]

The bigot, making the accusation of bigotry.

The irony.

[Yuri Bezmenov]

Someone hazarded a guess further up the thread that about 0.3% of Muslims are extremists.

Umm, actually no. Py's comment was made I jest and I responded to it.

[odeon]

The bigot, making the accusation of bigotry.

The irony.

Tell me how I'm a bigot.