Sayings you hate

[Calandale]

You brought up a good point about heart monitors, and they also don't need an OS, so still thinking system dependent is a good distinction, though a distinction to be combined with UI.

Yeah, you would need some sort of basis like an OS to call something an application.

[Minister Of Silly Walks]

I like Cal's definition of app in the modern sense, it is simple and to the point, but it is open to pedantry. So if it is going to get picked apart maybe it needs to be more specific?

Would it be fair to say that an app is a program (or software) that a user consciously interacts with in real time, via a user interface?

For example the software that I work on has a batch process that automatically kicks off around midnight. People set parameters and create inputs for the batch process and then they go home at the end of the working day. And then in the morning people come into work and look at reports and queues and stuff. Those reports and queues are interfaces of a sort, but they are not real time. That batch process isn't an app.

A heart monitor isn't an app because the user doesn't consciously interact with it in real time.

[Jack]

Why does it have to be in real time? Also work with applications which have scheduled file runs based on daily end user request; there's no doubt they're applications. The lack of instant gratification for the output is just part of the programming.

[Calandale]

Hmm...are they? Or is the program to write the script which kicks them off the application?

 

[Yuri Bezmenov]

"Here's that"

Every dumbass millennial and Gen Z'er who works fast food drive thru's don't know how to fucking talk to customers.

They hand me my change.
"Here's that"

They hand me my drink
"here's that"

They hand me my food
"here's that"

                        

How about:

Here's your change, $1.27

Here's your small Coke with no ice

And here's your #5 combo with curly fries.

What the fuck is so difficult about that??

[Jack]

Hmm...are they? Or is the program to write the script which kicks them off the application?

 

Don't think automated functions discount anything as an application. Even outlook gives me a pop-up reminder for my meetings. That's an automated job based on my input, even though it may have been input from months ago.

[Jack]

"Here's that"

Have never experienced that. Maybe it's regional.

[Calandale]

"Here's that"

Every dumbass millennial and Gen Z'er who works fast food drive thru's don't know how to fucking talk to customers.

They hand me my change.
"Here's that"

They hand me my drink
"here's that"

They hand me my food
"here's that"

                        

How about:

Here's your change, $1.27

Here's your small Coke with no ice

And here's your #5 combo with curly fries.

What the fuck is so difficult about that??

How about: 'What the fuck is so difficult about not using pronouns when referring to things?"

[Calandale]

Hmm...are they? Or is the program to write the script which kicks them off the application?

 

Don't think automated functions discount anything as an application. Even outlook gives me a pop-up reminder for my meetings. That's an automated job based on my input, even though it may have been input from months ago.

That's functionality WITHIN an application though. No one is saying that applications cannot contain components which wouldn't
qualify as applications themselves. Like, if a C application requires a garbage collector.

[Jack]

Hmm...are they? Or is the program to write the script which kicks them off the application?

 

Don't think automated functions discount anything as an application. Even outlook gives me a pop-up reminder for my meetings. That's an automated job based on my input, even though it may have been input from months ago.

That's functionality WITHIN an application though. No one is saying that applications cannot contain components which wouldn't
qualify as applications themselves. Like, if a C application requires a garbage collector.

May have misunderstood, but thought MOSW was saying that. Of course the programming within applications are programs. The issue isn't really identifying what is an application, but rather that system programs don't have their own term. It's like we're talking about two pieces of fruit; one is called an apple and the other is called a fruit.

[Calandale]

That's functionality WITHIN an application though. No one is saying that applications cannot contain components which wouldn't
qualify as applications themselves. Like, if a C application requires a garbage collector.

May have misunderstood, but thought MOSW was saying that. Of course the programming within applications are programs. The issue isn't really identifying what is an application, but rather that system programs don't have their own term. It's like we're talking about two pieces of fruit; one is called an apple and the other is called a fruit.
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Yes - but read that 'fruit' as non-apple fruit. Because there are a number of different programs (system and not) which comprise the set of non-application programs. Drivers, services, daemons....

[odeon]

They probably have an app for that.
 

*groan*

[odeon]

Over here, I heard "application"  used more often than a program. You had to open your program (operating system) and "launch" your application within "Workgroups."  At least that was the language most commonly use.

Thought there are system programs and application programs, so essentially they're all programs and applications simply aren't system specific. Maybe Odeon can clarify.

Most system apps are just apps used by the system. There's not much of a distinction, usually, except that system apps may not have a user interface and so no means for a user to access them directly.

The OS is really also an app - actually a series of apps - acting on top of a BIOS and various firmware. And you could regard drivers as system apps, but again, the distinction is blurred.

Oh, and "workgroups" brings back memories.

[Jack]

Over here, I heard "application"  used more often than a program. You had to open your program (operating system) and "launch" your application within "Workgroups."  At least that was the language most commonly use.

Thought there are system programs and application programs, so essentially they're all programs and applications simply aren't system specific. Maybe Odeon can clarify.

Most system apps are just apps used by the system. There's not much of a distinction, usually, except that system apps may not have a user interface and so no means for a user to access them directly.

The OS is really also an app - actually a series of apps - acting on top of a BIOS and various firmware. And you could regard drivers as system apps, but again, the distinction is blurred.

Oh, and "workgroups" brings back memories.

That seems to negate Calandale's definition of an application, that an app is a program with a UI. So then what's the distinction between an application and a program, or is there any real difference?

[Grey Area]

"A change is as good as a rest"

No it isn't.