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Offline Tom/Mutate

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Is it inherently racist to worry about immigration?
« on: December 19, 2008, 05:02:20 AM »
Can you be worried about overcrowding, stretching of resources, lack of jobs etc, without being racist?   Or should people always be for it, without raising concerns?

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Re: Is it inherently racist to worry about immigration?
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2008, 05:24:19 AM »
Can you be worried about overcrowding, stretching of resources, lack of jobs etc, without being racist?   Or should people always be for it, without raising concerns?

According to the commies and "liberals" all immigration criticism is Nazi propaganda.

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Re: Is it inherently racist to worry about immigration?
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2008, 05:31:46 AM »
I think so but then again I don't like people in general of all races  so when I like one that I meet I tend not to look at those things.  As a purely statistical point to worry about your own economic conditions is normal as is the fear of change no matter how it is brought about either by dwindling resources or by the fact that  you can't understand what the guy at the corner store says because of a language barrier.  
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Re: Is it inherently racist to worry about immigration?
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2008, 05:42:16 AM »
A serious immigration debate is impossible in Sweden.


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Re: Is it inherently racist to worry about immigration?
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2008, 06:35:10 AM »
I'd rather blame the government for letting too many in and giving them privileges over us, because they're afraid of being accused as racist. :wanker:

It's one of the factors why this country's gone into recession, along with over building and trying too fucking hard being some "sophisticated" place full of organic eco warrior wank.

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Re: Is it inherently racist to worry about immigration?
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2008, 06:47:35 AM »
Get the Poles out!  :zoinks:

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Re: Is it inherently racist to worry about immigration?
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2008, 07:07:27 AM »
Without borders, there could be more of a flow each way...

Peasants go to big smoke, start working hard towards being rich.
Rich people move to poorer areas, become super rich as their money stretches further.

That was a silly idea I realised as I was typing.
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Re: Is it inherently racist to worry about immigration?
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2008, 11:28:22 AM »
It's not racist to be concerned about immigration; it's just a topic that many racists obsess about.  Scotland has benefited from immigration in the past; a large number of Irish families, including my dad's family, immigrated to Scotland in the past and became productive members of Scottish society (not so much in my dad's case, admittedly, and it gave rise to a fair bit of sectarian violence), providing labour that fueled an expansion of heavy industry.  Later on, Indian and Pakistani immigrants came, filling up a post-war labour shortage and opening a huge number of small convenience shops and takeaways, expanding the rather limited culinary horizons of the native Scots and sending their children to university to become doctors, engineers and other valuable specialists.

Now, however, the nature of immigration has changed.  Instead of relatively educated, hard-working people coming, getting jobs, raising families and integrating into society, we're getting asylum seekers and seasonal workers.  The asylum seekers come from oppressive or war-torn shitholes that have often traumatised and brutalised them, they often remain on benefits, instead of integrating, they tend to form enclaves, holding onto cultural practices that are incompatible with native values (forced marriage, honor killings etc) and are vastly more likely to be convicted of a crime than the natives.  Seasonal workers are better, and are particularly useful to agriculture where time-sensitive crops like strawberries require a large temporary workforce to harvest them, but much of their wages go back home with them instead of returning to the local economy.
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Re: Is it inherently racist to worry about immigration?
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2008, 12:09:51 PM »
the simple answer is "no", and the first bit of peter's post is spot on.  (i found the second para, whilst true, to lean slightly toward the "they're a drain on our resources" argument, without making more of the "they've come from oppressive regimes and so deserve a life" bit.  not a criticism, peter, just an observation/interpretation).

According to the commies and "liberals" all immigration criticism is Nazi propaganda.

gracious - does that mean i'm not a commie or a liberal anymore? 

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Re: Is it inherently racist to worry about immigration?
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2008, 12:17:55 PM »
You're still a  :moomin:  :hahaha:

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Re: Is it inherently racist to worry about immigration?
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2008, 02:57:04 PM »
You're still a  :moomin:  :hahaha:

indeed.  your point?

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Re: Is it inherently racist to worry about immigration?
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2008, 02:59:44 PM »
Does one have to need a point here? I haven't seen it from the superior draft dodging knows-best-"liberal" admin.

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Re: Is it inherently racist to worry about immigration?
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2008, 03:02:37 PM »
Does one have to need a point here? I haven't seen it from the superior draft dodging knows-best-"liberal" admin.

do you always look to odeon to provide you with your points of argument?

how sad.  :hahaha:

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Re: Is it inherently racist to worry about immigration?
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2008, 03:44:30 PM »
Can you be worried about overcrowding, stretching of resources, lack of jobs etc, without being racist?   Or should people always be for it, without raising concerns?

It certainly doesn't make you a racist. Racism is about something else.
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Re: Is it inherently racist to worry about immigration?
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2008, 03:57:14 PM »
Sweden's third largest city being enriched on this very day. You don't have to understand Swedish, just play the movies.

http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/artikel_2224451.svd